On Tuesday 20 January 2004 00:44, Mark Knecht wrote:
Matt,
My 2 cents...I don't think it's quite that simple, or at least it
doesn't seem that simple to me. This whole thread has been about
comparing apples and oranges. In my opinion Alsa as a project has
both made huge advances, and has a
On Tuesday 20 January 2004 00:47, Noah Roberts wrote:
Matthew Geddes wrote:
On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 15:35, Noah Roberts wrote:
I guess you could say its stable, but it sure doesn't seem very
useable to me. I am quite good at getting things to work, even
when they don't want to, but nothing I do
On Tuesday 20 January 2004 01:05, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Mon, 2004-01-19 at 21:47, Noah Roberts wrote:
Then I find it very interesting that the best answer so far has
been to downgrade to 0.9.0rc6 and use the 2.4.x kernel tree. In
fact I have seen no other responce to myself or anyone else that
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So that you and I and the rest of us will test both the kernel and
ALSA, and the kernel+ALSA, under various hardware conditions that
will never happen until either is declared stable. Allow about 1/2
a year for both, and the combination of both,
On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 00:10, Gene Heskett wrote:
SNIP
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.
VT8233/A/8235 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
SNIP
It will look like this for an 8233:
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233
AC97 Audio Controller
This is open source. Get with the program, there is no such thing as
perfect advice, responsible parties or guarantees.
11. BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS LICENSED FREE OF CHARGE, THERE IS NO WARRANTY
FOR THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW. EXCEPT WHEN
OTHERWISE STATED IN WRITING
Here are the 2 pennies from an end-user that is NOT a programmer, NOT a
Unix/Linux guru. I'm simply a desktop user and weekend hacker, 37 years
old. I use Linux exclusively for all desktop purposes, file/print
server, etc.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 03:28:53AM +1300, Sam Vilain wrote:
Maybe you
Steve Conrad wrote:
...
Compared to mature products like those with which I ordinarily work, alsa is
an impenetrable thicket of trouble with few guideposts.
because it is NOT a mature product. Both alsa and linux kernel are
not mature as far as audio work goes - alsa only fairly recently
Erik Steffl wrote:
so while you are pretty much right that alsa is not easy to
configure, it's not easy to figure out what is supported for
particular cards etc. it's all work in progress. Maybe it's not for
you at this time (that's not elitist remark, alsa simply does not
provide what you
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:12:45 -0800
Noah Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Erik Steffl wrote:
so while you are pretty much right that alsa is not easy to
configure, it's not easy to figure out what is supported for
particular cards etc. it's all work in progress. Maybe it's not for
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:21 am, Richard Kimber wrote:
particular cards etc. it's all work in progress. Maybe it's not for
you at this time (that's not elitist remark, alsa simply does not
provide what you want _at this time_)
I wonder then, why does it have a 1.x version number?
Only
Richard Kimber wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:12:45 -0800
Noah Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Erik Steffl wrote:
so while you are pretty much right that alsa is not easy to
configure, it's not easy to figure out what is supported for
particular cards etc. it's all work in progress. Maybe it's
On 2004-01-19 15:41:06 -0800 Erik Steffl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
alsa seems to be fairly stable now so it's time to build it into
infrastructure (note that that's what the original poster complained
about).
and build infrastructure around it (so that it's easier to
configure/use
etc.)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:21 am, Richard Kimber wrote:
particular cards etc. it's all work in progress. Maybe it's not for
you at this time (that's not elitist remark, alsa simply does not
provide what you want _at this time_)
I wonder then, why does it have a
Erik Steffl wrote:
Richard Kimber wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:12:45 -0800
Noah Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Erik Steffl wrote:
so while you are pretty much right that alsa is not easy to
configure, it's not easy to figure out what is supported for
particular cards etc. it's all work in
On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 15:35, Noah Roberts wrote:
I guess you could say its stable, but it sure doesn't seem very useable
to me. I am quite good at getting things to work, even when they don't
want to, but nothing I do can make ALSA functional so just how useable
is that?
That doesn't
On Mon, 2004-01-19 at 21:17, Matthew Geddes wrote:
On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 15:35, Noah Roberts wrote:
I guess you could say its stable, but it sure doesn't seem very useable
to me. I am quite good at getting things to work, even when they don't
want to, but nothing I do can make ALSA
Matthew Geddes wrote:
On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 15:35, Noah Roberts wrote:
I guess you could say its stable, but it sure doesn't seem very useable
to me. I am quite good at getting things to work, even when they don't
want to, but nothing I do can make ALSA functional so just how useable
is
On Mon, 2004-01-19 at 21:47, Noah Roberts wrote:
Then I find it very interesting that the best answer so far has been to
downgrade to 0.9.0rc6 and use the 2.4.x kernel tree. In fact I have
seen no other responce to myself or anyone else that has had problems
with this driver.
OK, so I'm
On 2004-01-16 22:31:59 -0600 Stephen Stocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My thoughts on this subject are relatively straightforward and easy
to
express.
What you've described below is already available. In Windoze.
I more or less expected this elitist garbage from somebody. Do you
run KDE or
I apoligize if my blunt remarks have caused anyone offense. This was not my
intention.
I would like to correct one misunderstanding regarding my frustration however.
I am not a win32 user dipping my toe in the waters on linux. I am a system
administrator accustomed to running apache, qmail,
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 07:41 pm, Steve Conrad wrote:
...
btw, I would not be at all averse to helping out with the reprehensible
state of documentation for alsa.
ANYONE can edit, correct or add to the growing store of quite
useful info at http://alsa.opensrc.org. I hope some of the
accumulated
In the past I always kept away from sound on linux,
because it sucked.
Somewhat reluctantly, I gave it another stab last
month and enjoyed a brief blaze of funtionality during which time I was able to
sequence a number of my compositions with Rosegarden. Then suddenly, my speakers
blew and
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:59:23 -0800
Steve Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the past I always kept away from sound on linux, because it sucked.
[snip]
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=AlsaComplaint
Flo
--
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/florianschmidt.htm
On Friday 16 January 2004 17:59, Steve Conrad wrote:
In the past I always kept away from sound on linux, because it
sucked.
Somewhat reluctantly, I gave it another stab last month and enjoyed
a brief blaze of funtionality during which time I was able to
sequence a number of my compositions
It's not really
about money. It's about time.And I'm not getting my time's worth out of
this.The time invested to setup a second scratch machine to establish that
theoriginal machine the fried card came from is in itself significant. The
timespent scouring this list for any hint as to why
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:59:22AM +0100, Florian Schmidt wrote:
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=AlsaComplaint
My gosh! The speling is horrenduss in thet poast!
-Greg :-)
--
Mutt 1.4.1i on Slackware 9.1 Linux
Curridabat, San Jose, Costa Rica
Steve Conrad wrote:
It's not really about money. It's about time.
I have to wonder what exactly you have been doing with your time.
I read the docs, grabbed an example config file, altered it to match my
setup, and had my SB Live 5.1 working in under 20 minutes. Yeah the
config file is a
Steve Conrad wrote:
...
I don't buy into the PBS-begathon line of reasoning that because it's free I
should be greatful for any limited functionality if offers.
you don't have to be greatful. but offending people for providing
something that you find no use for is not very nice.
erik
The way Steve said what he said was rather rude and sounded whiny.
But I *do* believe he's basically correct about a few things.
Remember when some Microsoft sponsored benchmarks showed that Linux
had some problems and a lot of zealots screamed because Microsoft was
attacking Linux? Linus
I forgot one more thing that could be fixed: simplify. The strong
point of Linux is that there are 1001 ways to do anything. And the
weakness of Linux is that there are 1901 ways to do anything. End
users like simplicity. They want power, it's true, but they don't
want to have a lot of
Jason Clouse wrote:
I forgot one more thing that could be fixed: simplify. The strong
point of Linux is that there are 1001 ways to do anything. And the
weakness of Linux is that there are 1901 ways to do anything. End
users like simplicity. They want power, it's true, but they don't
want
Hi all,
My thoughts on this subject are relatively straightforward and easy to
express.
What you've described below is already available. In Windoze. There's a
reason I don't run M$'s junk, apart from its instability. I *enjoy*
learning, doing, customizing, and just playing around
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