Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Fabiano Moser
Hi, AMSAT can open a Project at KICKSTARTER in technology tag. https://www.kickstarter.com/discover/categories/technology I saw a lot of project getting 300, 400% more than originally goal. Some of then looks like a stupid idea, but that´s no matter they get the found´s, and what make no sense

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/19/2014 09:23 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: I cannot believe that. The equilibrium of a nominally black (solar panels on all sides) spacecraft is something like about 0 to 30 C (32F to 90F) a very benign operational range. The only time you DO have thermal issues is when you DO have

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Wouter Weggelaar
Hi All, I could start writing all kinds of angry E-mails, but I have always resisted to reply on these kind of threads. I'm glad the AMSAT-BB is not reflecting the great community that is amateur radio and the many exciting things we are doing for our community to keep communications alive. I

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Rick Walter
I was not going to post but since no one else has, I thought there needs to be a correction to a statement made in case some younger people are reading the thread. Phil said: Good analogy, actually. They returned to the moon six times (succeeding on five) because they had excess hardware

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Rick Walter
I need to receive the foot in mouth award. The key word I read past was They RETURNED to the moon six... I'll just go back to the my radios and hide. Sent from Rick's iPad2 On Jul 20, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Rick Walter wb3...@gmail.com wrote: I was not going to post but since no one else has, I

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread g0mrf
To: amsat-bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:59 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced On 07/19/2014 09:23 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: I cannot believe that. The equilibrium of a nominally black (solar panels

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Graham Shirville
-Original Message- From: Phil Karn k...@ka9q.net To: amsat-bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:59 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced On 07/19/2014 09:23 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: I cannot believe

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Bob- W7LRD
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced Are FM repeater satellites what we all want in orbit? No. Personally, I'd like a Mode J linear transponder in a sun synchronous circular orbit of about 2,000km (if we can't get anything

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Paul Stoetzer
Seattle From: Paul Stoetzer n...@arrl.net To: Phil Karn k...@ka9q.net Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 12:28:12 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced Are FM

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread John Becker
On 7/20/2014 12:00 PM, Paul Stoetzer wrote: IN PART The bottom line is that AMSAT-NA needs a significant boost in membership and visibility and that boost needs to be soon. I gave up on AMSAT when it seemed that the main afford was put into FM in and FM out satellites. Membership ran out many

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Paul Stoetzer
The Fox-1 series of satellites will lead to the Fox-2 series with many more interesting modes and capabilities. Yes, the priority is on building and launching the Fox-1 series, but a good portion of that work will be done by next year and then the lessons learned can be applied to constructing and

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Clayton Coleman
This is great news. I thank all the AMSAT volunteers, past and present for this opportunity. GO FOX, GO! 73 Clayton W5PFG On Jul 18, 2014 2:11 PM, Joseph Spier w...@vfr.net wrote: AMSAT NEWS SERVICE ANS-199 The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor- mation

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin -AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Tom Schuessler
I personally am going to ask my local Amateur Radio Club to throw a donation on the Fox 1C project. I challenge you to present the same request along to your own local clubs. I do numerous Radio Merit Badge presentations for the Boy Scouts and one of the things I love to do is to throw in a

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Robert Bruninga
...@usna.edu Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced I must quickly point out some real data: www.warehouse.funcube.org.uk Which shows an equilibrium of around +20 degrees after 64 minutes of sunlight. Black solar cells

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Robert Bruninga
:59 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced On 07/19/2014 09:23 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: I cannot believe that. The equilibrium of a nominally black (solar panels on all sides) spacecraft is something like about 0

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Robert Bruninga
Hummh, We get an equilibrium of a cube to be about 55F (13C) when exposed to the sun on one side and all the other sides radiating to cold space. (assuming they are thermally connected). I wonder why the big difference between our calculations? Bob, WB4aPR On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:59 AM, Phil

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/19/2014 09:23 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: Yes, but with who? 95% of everyone in view is more than 45 degrees OUT of the main beam. Directional antennas have zero value on LEO birds that need to serve everyone in view at the same time. And if you only serve those in the main beam, then

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/20/2014 06:27 AM, Rick Walter wrote: I was not going to post but since no one else has, I thought there needs to be a correction to a statement made in case some younger people are reading the thread. Phil said: Good analogy, actually. They returned to the moon six times

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/20/2014 08:09 AM, Graham Shirville wrote: Hi Phil, The reality is, even with no battery heater on FUNcube-1 we seem to have an acceptable battery temperature of between 0 and +5C. The temp sensor is, of course, actually external to the battery itself. You must be using different solar

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/20/2014 10:00 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote: A good number of amateur radio operators are only vaguely aware of the amateur satellite program and consider it to be quite esoteric. Precisely. Huge az/el yagi arrays don't help that image either. Nor does an occasional, brief, noisy pass of an

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/18/2014 12:08 PM, Joseph Spier wrote: Fox-1C is the third of four Fox-1 series satellites under development, with Fox-1A and RadFXsat/Fox-1B launching through the NASA ELANA program. Fox-1C will carry an FM repeater system for amateur radio for use by radio hams and listeners worldwide.

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread Paul Stoetzer
Are FM repeater satellites what we all want in orbit? No. Personally, I'd like a Mode J linear transponder in a sun synchronous circular orbit of about 2,000km (if we can't get anything to HEO). However, the Fox-1A, Fox-1B, Fox-1C, and Fox-1D satellites will eventually lead to the Fox-2 series of

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/19/2014 12:28 PM, Paul Stoetzer wrote: Are FM repeater satellites what we all want in orbit? No. Personally, I'd like a Mode J linear transponder in a sun synchronous circular orbit of about 2,000km (if we can't get anything to HEO). Getting a launch opportunity is difficult and

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread Andrew Glasbrenner
Getting a launch opportunity is difficult and expensive. Going digital is not. The Fox satellites each have four designated experiment cards. Assemble a team and pitch a proposal for 1D, or 1C if you can do it in a hurry. 73, Drew KO4MA ___ Sent via

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread John Becker
On 7/19/2014 1:54 PM, it was wrote: YET ANOTHER analog satellite? I'm not interested. I hear yeah ! ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread Jerry Buxton
On 7/19/2014 3:24 PM, Phil Karn wrote: However, the Fox-1A, Fox-1B, Fox-1C, and Fox-1D satellites will eventually lead to the Fox-2 series of satellites. I've been hearing that for years, so please forgive my skepticism. Tony AA2TX himself told me that the analog Fox-1 would be followed by the

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread JoAnne Maenpaa
Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced Getting a launch opportunity is difficult and expensive. Going digital is not. The Fox satellites each have four designated experiment cards. Assemble a team and pitch a proposal for 1D, or 1C if you can do it in a hurry. 73, Drew KO4MA

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/19/2014 01:42 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote: Getting a launch opportunity is difficult and expensive. Going digital is not. The Fox satellites each have four designated experiment cards. Assemble a team and pitch a proposal for 1D, or 1C if you can do it in a hurry. 73, Drew KO4MA

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/19/2014 02:04 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote: other three would be ready to fly if other opportunities came up. If you're going to spend the time developing them, why not partner for free launches (ELaNa) for more than one? The opportunities for an FM transponder and educational outreach are

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread Jerry Buxton
On 7/19/2014 4:50 PM, Phil Karn wrote: Ah, because launches are scarce and expensive, and (re)developing even the same old thing consumes much of AMSAT's limited resources. And they're limited because we have yet to interest more than a tiny niche in what we're doing. But you arguing about

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/19/2014 03:32 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote: But you arguing about something that has already happened. That makes no sense. None of the Fox satellites have yet flown, so they haven't already happened. Why did the U.S. go back to the moon so many times? I don't know. But we did, and that

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread Robert Bruninga
The lack of attitude control forces us to use simple omnidirectional antennas, which in turn keeps us on the crowded and narrow VHF/UHF bands. Worse, there's really no such thing as an omnidirectional antenna so our links are plagued by frequent deep fades of unlimited (or at least unknown)

[amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-18 Thread Joseph Spier
AMSAT NEWS SERVICE ANS-199 The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor- mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur