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Just about telepathy, I guess that you all have already seen that link
... but just in case it can be usefull ... or for the archives :p
http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/spec.html
GrdScarabe
Youness Alaoui wrote:
The problem with C++ is that it
Youness is right... Java it's not a good solution for this project...
It's very slow, compile it kills me and the integration with non-java
applications. speaks for it self!
C++ has the problem of slow development for inexperienced
programmers!!! For experienced, it's easy too go on... but
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Well, maybe I am the only one who doesn't feel it like a totally postitive
thing... First of all, aMSN is far from being stable on its own. Maybe it's
better to polish what we currently have than coming up with a new core and
adapting some pieces of
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I think that does not concern aMSN as whole, but just libmsn ... if I've
followed everything :s
GrdScarabe
Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote:
What the hell is going on here? C#
I think many people lost the track here, we're not talking about
It has to work this time, and it can. If anyone just wants to code at some
moment, there is amsn1 to work on!
Op zondag 11 december 2005 23:18, schreef Youness Alaoui:
You're basically talking about the 'normal' way to do things ?
from my experience, this will never be done amongst amsn
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Humm... it is not that simple ...
Several studies have shown that it is totally possible to have an as
good management and control of the development process as for
profesional developments (I mean mostly proprietary) if the tasks are
splitted in
Op maandag 12 december 2005 18:10, schreef GrdScarabe:
Humm... it is not that simple ...
Several studies have shown that it is totally possible to have an as
good management and control of the development process as for
profesional developments (I mean mostly proprietary) if the tasks are
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Harry Vennik wrote:
Op maandag 12 december 2005 18:10, schreef GrdScarabe:
Humm... it is not that simple ...
Several studies have shown that it is totally possible to have an as
good management and control of the development process as for
Ok, ok stop that...
first, java has great javadoc support where the doc is in your source,
excelent, C#, noone wants M$ crap!!! and it's NOT multiplatform... mono is
an implementation where they 'try to make it work'... I prefer to use the
real thing, the same goes for java, that's why I
On 12/12/05, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, ok stop that...first, java has great javadoc support where the doc is in your source,excelent, C#, noone wants M$ crap!!! and it's NOT multiplatform... mono isan implementation where they 'try to make it work'... I prefer to use the
real
Hi,
I've been getting more and more professional experience and I know how
importnat it is for a project to be documented and correctly managed...
I will be willing to manage it, in the same way I'm begining to slwoly do
it for amsn1.. up until now, it was a 'free-for-all', or
I already tried! It seems easy! When we work with a bunch o languages, theres not a language hard to learn!
But there is languages that are more readabel than others
Write a API in java or C++ with no comments and say in what language
it's more easy to understand what the API does, C++ or
Hi,
very good !!
I think we need an organisation because IMO it's too messy !!
You only have to look at this thread !!
Everybody speaks and everybody deviates from the initial topic !!
Some people who will never code wants to impose their point of view !
Enough
I say one thing ! Discuss
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And personally, for what I saw since I am present on this list I think
you do a pretty good job...
So, I don't know if my vote is important but I support you ...
Now, for the drawbacks (sorry but critics are positive :S ), ... from
what I saw, I
no, that's because Tcl is procedurable and you looked at aMSN code which
is a total mess... but look at other simple, modular code, you'll find it
eaiser to read..
maybe try remote.tcl or chatwindow.tcl.. you'll see clear code
if you go to msnp2p.tcl or gui/protocol.tcl.. trust me, you'll
2005/12/12, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
if you go to msnp2p.tcl or gui/protocol.tcl.. trust me, you'll become
suicidal :D
Yes, i do !
My point of view : this looks very good and a bit the project of year.
Like Jerome, i just learnt TCL by reading aMSN's code. I know a bit C,
and can
Le Monday 12 December 2005 20:18, Boris Faure (billiob) a écrit :
2005/12/12, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
if you go to msnp2p.tcl or gui/protocol.tcl.. trust me, you'll become
suicidal :D
Yes, i do !
My point of view : this looks very good and a bit the project of year.
Like
Hi guys,
This will be a big email, and I hope it can generate a lot of talk.
This is a proposal for the future of aMSN that benefits several
parties : aMSN, Telepathy and Farsight. Now you all know Farsight, and
you all know aMSN. You might not have heard of Telepathy. It's a
project funded
Wouldn't this be beyond the projects goal?
I mean, the name is 'aMSN'.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi guys,
This will be a big email, and I hope it can generate a lot of talk.
This is a proposal for the future of aMSN that benefits several
parties : aMSN, Telepathy and Farsight. Now you all
Very interesting !!
a communication system !! We won't have to write it !! But what is bad with
libgaim for Telepathy ?? A D-BUS extension shouldn't be too hard to do !
But if we want to rewrite all to made it saparated we should maybe switch to
C++ or any other language not interpreted !!
On Sunday 11 December 2005 11:55, Le Philousophe - Phil wrote:
Very interesting !!
a communication system !! We won't have to write it !! But what is bad with
libgaim for Telepathy ?? A D-BUS extension shouldn't be too hard to do !
But if we want to rewrite all to made it saparated we should
And what are we waiting for? Le 05-12-11 à 14:56, Karol Krizka a écrit :we need 0.95 out of the door first.
Hi burger,
that's a very interesting idea, but I'm not too sure about it... I mean,
it's really great and we should go with it, BUT I don't think it should be
for 0.96 or even 1.0... I think it would be a whole new thing... I would
suggest the protocol goes into C++ code... I've always been
waiting for me I think, I just can't do much today... I want to finish the
TODO list I have (few things, change the timeout, test it), wait for list
maintainers to give their 'ok' and tag 0.95, release, make all the
packages...
but I think, what's really slowing us down now is that the
Le 05-12-11 à 14:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
Hi guys,
This will be a big email, and I hope it can generate a lot of
talk.
This is a proposal for the future of aMSN that benefits several
parties : aMSN, Telepathy and Farsight. Now you all know Farsight, and
you all know aMSN. You
Yeah well this needs to be a serious project. We said this kind of propositions before on the mailling list but it was always..."later...when we will get time...to rewrite everything...blabla". It needs to be serious and have a real plan.I would work on that if there's a serious plan. Le 05-12-11
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:00:32 -0500, Karol Krizka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday 11 December 2005 11:55, Le Philousophe - Phil wrote:
Very interesting !!
a communication system !! We won't have to write it !! But what is bad
with
libgaim for Telepathy ?? A D-BUS extension shouldn't be
Hey dude,
that's a very interesting idea, but I'm not too sure about it... I mean,
it's really great and we should go with it, BUT I don't think it should be
for 0.96 or even 1.0... I think it would be a whole new thing... I would
suggest the protocol goes into C++ code... I've always
Yes, of course...
and some people are already serious about that...
Burger forked from us and made Farsight and he worked like a devil on
this...
Tom also forked from us and is working on his mega widgets...
Some other people worked on the event system and made the new CL list
working pretty
Hi,
You said it's compatible with OS X.
D-Bus compatible with OS X? How does it work on OS X?
Yes there are some patches to make d-bus work with macosx and it will
be mainstream soon.
The thing is, we don't want to use Gaim's MSN protocol as a connection
manager for telepathy.
Why? Just
It answers my questions...
So I supose I'll wait for a kind of start and then see how I can
personally contribute for that project. Don't hesitate to use the
Wiki to add documentation and describe all the plan. I'll try to
reach developers at Adium too. As an Admin of aMSN, I aprove
Okay, my first thought when reading Burgers' post was: Ooops, this seems to
interfere quite much with the 'separate GUI and Protocol through
events'-plans, but after some more reading, I have to admit this might be a
good idea despite of that ;-)
But: using C++ is really a bad plan. I have
On Sunday 11 December 2005 12:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey dude,
that's a very interesting idea, but I'm not too sure about it... I mean,
it's really great and we should go with it, BUT I don't think it should
be for 0.96 or even 1.0... I think it would be a whole new thing... I
Let's watch out we're not going too fast!
This thing needs quite some time of brainstorming before we will need the
amsn2 module. There are a lot of ideas. Some might not blend, and should be
dropped eventually. We will disappoint people by removing things they created
if we do not decide
One thing I don't undersand is how this will work in terms of programs needed
tp be running. Will the core part be a totalyl seperate program from amsn?
Like will it run it the background, getting input and output not caring what
sends those messages?
On Sunday 11 December 2005 11:44, [EMAIL
That's why I said we need a serious project with serious doc and serious goals FIRST ;-)Le 05-12-11 à 16:11, Harry Vennik a écrit :Let's watch out we're not going too fast! This thing needs quite some time of brainstorming before we will need the amsn2 module. There are a lot of ideas. Some
On Sunday 11 December 2005 13:13, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote:
That's why I said we need a serious project with serious doc and
serious goals FIRST ;-)
How about setting a time aside when everyone is free and discussing it on the
IRC channel/MSN in realtime?
Le 05-12-11 à 16:11, Harry Vennik a
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Hi, I don't know if I am my word in this thread as I'm not really well
versed in aMSN (not yet) ... but I think it is globally a good idea to
use telepathy as framework for all the others protocols.
But: using C++ is really a bad plan. I have never
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Karol Krizka wrote:
On Sunday 11 December 2005 13:13, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote:
That's why I said we need a serious project with serious doc and
serious goals FIRST ;-)
How about setting a time aside when everyone is free and discussing it on
My god:|Le 05-12-11 à 16:20, GrdScarabe a écrit : ça rocks des patates !
Wasn't there some talk about a plugin using dbus some time ago?
Op zondag 11 december 2005 22:07, schreef Karol Krizka:
Me too, I could work on the dbus implementation in Tcl. Sounds like an
interesting project.
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This SF.net email is
Yeah, I just added it inside amsn-extras
http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/amsn
Le 05-12-11 à 16:31, Harry Vennik a écrit :
Wasn't there some talk about a plugin using dbus some time ago?
Op zondag 11 december 2005 22:07, schreef Karol Krizka:
Me too, I could work on the dbus implementation in
Not a developer, just my 2 cents... i wouldn't go for C++. First
because the language is so full of details and
complicated/sofisticated stuff, and second because it'll make it
harder to make a library that doesn't break ABI, since C++ has some
ABI breakage problems (see:
C is a real good lowlevel language.
So is Perl if you need highlevel stuff :)
Joao Victor wrote:
Not a developer, just my 2 cents... i wouldn't go for C++. First
because the language is so full of details and
complicated/sofisticated stuff, and second because it'll make it
harder to make a
Op zondag 11 december 2005 22:42, schreef Joao Victor:
I think Java is cool; runs on it all, has the C++ syntax but much more
simplified, no need to worry about garbage collection, has lots of
developers, and so it goes.
Java has C++ syntax??? Fortunately not! I know, there are a lot of
You're basically talking about the 'normal' way to do things ?
from my experience, this will never be done amongst amsn devels :p but we
could give it a try... I'm willing to help on the doc for that thing...
KaKaRoTo
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:11:37 -0500, Harry Vennik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ll
translatin would be 'it rocks potatoes'... ahh, french expressions...
lol
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:25:46 -0500, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My god
:|
Le 05-12-11 à 16:20, GrdScarabe a écrit :
ça rocks des patates !
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KaKaRoTo
yes, but C++ is also a powerful language, if you know how to use it of
course.. if not, then we're in deep shit...
Java is also great, I really love java, only problem is I do not want amsn
to depend on a JRE... also, java doesn't integrate well with other code...
(which means, C++ code can
On Sunday 11 December 2005 14:22, Youness Alaoui wrote:
ll
translatin would be 'it rocks potatoes'... ahh, french expressions...
lol
According to Altavista's babelfish it is:
that rock'n'rolls of potatos!
:P
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:25:46 -0500, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:12:06 -0500, Harry Vennik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Op zondag 11 december 2005 22:42, schreef Joao Victor:
I think Java is cool; runs on it all, has the C++ syntax but much more
simplified, no need to worry about garbage collection, has lots of
developers, and so it
Le 05-12-11 à 17:31, Youness Alaoui a écrit : think about one thing... who wants to learn Objective-C ? Me ;-)That's the primary language for a native-application on Mac OS X, with CocoaBut I totally understand why we wouldn't us that on a multiplatform project ;-)I personally don't.. I remember I
2005/12/11, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
yes, but C++ is also a powerful language, if you know how to use it of
course.. if not, then we're in deep shit...
Java is also great, I really love java, only problem is I do not want amsn
to depend on a JRE...
Yes... but oh well, right now Amsn
(WARNING: This is a long, boring mail :P)
Well, maybe I am the only one who doesn't feel it like a totally postitive
thing... First of all, aMSN is far from being stable on its own. Maybe it's
better to polish what we currently have than coming up with a new core and
adapting some pieces of
Well, I'm not a developer so I dunno if I count. :-P
Anyways, I feel it would be wrong to just start with all this now.
Isn't this project a MSN client? Would feel wrong to me heh :)
Alberto Diaz wrote:
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Well, maybe I am the only one who doesn't feel it
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:36:53 -0500, Joao Victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2005/12/11, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
yes, but C++ is also a powerful language, if you know how to use it of
course.. if not, then we're in deep shit...
Java is also great, I really love java, only problem is I do
2005/12/11, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
no, tcl/tk is easy to install for linux, there are rpms everywhere and
most systems already have it.. with a JRE, you need to install it
manually, not always easy, because it's a 'non-open-source' product...
for windows, we can bundle tcl/tk in a
Here is another thread about the subject.
*
PLEASE DON'T REPLY TO THIS THREAD UNLESS IT IS RELEVANT. I DON'T WANT TO
HEAR ABOUT C++ vs JAVA HERE! LET US KEEP IT CLEAN OTHERWISE IT IS
USELESS TO HAVE A THREAD. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING RELATED BUT NOT
DIRECTLY RELATED START A NEW THREAD
*
So
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:15:54 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hey,
Hi, thanks for answering, it covered most of the things I wanted to say...
What would amsn gain from the porting to Telepathy? Lots of protocols.
We
already have MSN, the most complete out there I think (in terms of
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:34:53 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Here is another thread about the subject.
perfect
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PLEASE DON'T REPLY TO THIS THREAD UNLESS IT IS RELEVANT. I DON'T WANT TO
HEAR ABOUT C++ vs JAVA HERE! LET US KEEP IT CLEAN OTHERWISE IT IS
USELESS TO HAVE A THREAD. IF YOU
As I said, I'm very interested in that project. I dunno how and where I will be implicated but count me as a member :PLe 05-12-11 à 20:27, Youness Alaoui a écrit : which makes it into 6 teams... Here are the current assignments : 1 - everyone 2 - Youness 3 - Karol 4 - ? 5 - Youness 6 - Tom Anyone
Well, if you rewrite the protocol in C or C++, I would like to help!
It's always two more hands coding
AgapitoOn 12/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Here is another thread about the subject.
*PLEASE DON'T REPLY TO THIS THREAD UNLESS IT IS RELEVANT. I DON'T WANT TOHEAR
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Nuno Agapito wrote:
Well, if you rewrite the protocol in C or C++, I would like to help!
It's always two more hands coding
Agapito
+1 ... even if it is another programing language program ...
The thing is I am totally new and even if I
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I personally don't care about any other protocol except Jabber. This
would bring Jabber. Also, it would bring instant Farsight support to
aMSN.
same here, and also, from what I understood we would only use telepathy
for the new system
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