Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-13 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
I will do it tomorrow evening... Phil Le Tuesday 13 June 2006 20:17, Youness Alaoui a écrit : > On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:44:24 -0400, Philippe Valembois - Phil > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I totally agree with you... Users have to use perfect softwares and not > > buggy > > drivers... > > Anyw

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-13 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:44:24 -0400, Philippe Valembois - Phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I totally agree with you... Users have to use perfect softwares and not > buggy > drivers... > Anyway, I try to know where is the bug... Why ? Because with that it's > the > first time I hack in the ke

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-13 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
I totally agree with you... Users have to use perfect softwares and not buggy drivers... Anyway, I try to know where is the bug... Why ? Because with that it's the first time I hack in the kernel level... And I like that ;) It's so bad I haven't a pwc compliant cam. Else, I already had tracked t

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-12 Thread Harry Vennik
A buggy driver is not our fault, that is very clear. But if we know a work-around, we MAY use that to make things easier for our users. Of course we should not spend 3 days of programming to work around a bug that is not our fault, but a 10-minute fix is okay. And where the line is in between,

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-12 Thread Youness Alaoui
not only that, but we'd need to shift the responsability... we really should stop being so nice to the users, look at what happened lately in the forums because of AA fonts and tcl/tk 8.5... he was a stupid bastard but let's take his example why bother if the problem isn't ours ? If users

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-12 Thread Sander Hoentjen
but we can still say: go update or don't bother us. Anyway it is important to let upstream know about this On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 19:16 +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: > of course that's a good thing to do, but it won't fix it for users with an > older pwc, and we cannot assume all users will upgrade.

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-12 Thread Harry Vennik
of course that's a good thing to do, but it won't fix it for users with an older pwc, and we cannot assume all users will upgrade. some might even not know how to do it, or not have root access to the system. Op maandag 12 juni 2006 18:49, schreef Philippe Valembois - Phil: > Why not contacting

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-12 Thread Sander Hoentjen
So what does upstream say about this bug? On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 18:40 +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: > I think it simply isn't an amsn bug, but a driver bug. > The streaming support on pwc seems to be somewhat buggy. > That is why clearing the V4L2_CAP_STREAMING capability flag will make it work. > On

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-12 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
Why not contacting Luc Saillard to inform him of the bug ? Phil Le Monday 12 June 2006 18:40, Harry Vennik a écrit : > I think it simply isn't an amsn bug, but a driver bug. > The streaming support on pwc seems to be somewhat buggy. > That is why clearing the V4L2_CAP_STREAMING capability flag wil

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-12 Thread Harry Vennik
I think it simply isn't an amsn bug, but a driver bug. The streaming support on pwc seems to be somewhat buggy. That is why clearing the V4L2_CAP_STREAMING capability flag will make it work. On v4l the streaming support is not available at all, so it will always work. And if indeed it is a driver

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-12 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
Hi, for me the better solution is to find the bug and eliminate it Phil P.S. I don't have marks anymore only curses, so I consider I am almost in holidays ! Le Monday 12 June 2006 18:17, Harry Vennik a écrit : > But that's not much of an argument here, because any solution will require > patc

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-12 Thread Harry Vennik
But that's not much of an argument here, because any solution will require patching libng or even its v4l2 driver. Anyway, by doing it Youness' way we will avoid an ugly thing like if(driver == pwc) { . } by adding a real feature. The only disadvantage being all reports about 'webcam not r

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-11 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
No without patching libng... Phil Le Sunday 11 June 2006 22:45, Youness Alaoui a écrit : > can't we make it use the driver you choose ? for example, the user can > choose v4l or v4l2 from the list of devices, so if he chooses v4l, the v4l > driver will be used, if he chooses v4l2, then the v4l2 dr

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
can't we make it use the driver you choose ? for example, the user can choose v4l or v4l2 from the list of devices, so if he chooses v4l, the v4l driver will be used, if he chooses v4l2, then the v4l2 driver will be used... and have a label (we already have one, right ?) for pwc users that

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-11 Thread Harry Vennik
Problem found. There are 2 work-arounds: - If we somehow unset the V4L2_CAP_STREAMING flag for pwc, it will work. - If we force pwc to v4l instead of v4l2 it will also work. The first one seems quite ugly to me, so IMO forcing to v4l is the way to go. Op zondag 11 juni 2006 17:26, schreef Vivia

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-11 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
Le Sunday 11 June 2006 20:48, Harry Vennik a écrit : > Op zondag 11 juni 2006 18:39, schreef Max: > > Well, i think phil already started fixing it... He made me do some stuff > > with the webcam and give him the output but he ran out of time and i > > haven't seen him since on irc. > > > > Here is

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-11 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zondag 11 juni 2006 18:39, schreef Max: > Well, i think phil already started fixing it... He made me do some stuff > with the webcam and give him the output but he ran out of time and i > haven't seen him since on irc. > > Here is the webcam debug output when i open the v4l1 channel of my pwc >

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-11 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
Ooops I was working on porting my webcam driver to V4L2 :s I go immediately to IRC... Phil Le Sunday 11 June 2006 18:39, Max a écrit : > Well, i think phil already started fixing it... He made me do some stuff > with the webcam and give him the output but he ran out of time and i > haven't seen hi

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
you have this, and the GUI thing where the 'cancel login' doesn't appear in the menu when we are logging in... in case network error or whatever, at least we can cancel... very annoying... KKRT On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:39:47 -0400, Max <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, i think phil already s

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-11 Thread Max
Well, i think phil already started fixing it... He made me do some stuff with the webcam and give him the output but he ran out of time and i haven't seen him since on irc.Here is the webcam debug output when i open the v4l1 channel of my pwc webcam in the amsn prefs : http://verzier.info/pub/amsn

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-11 Thread Vivia Nikolaidou
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Max wrote: > I see at least one thing missing (imho) in the TODO-list and it is a bug > fix for the pwc webcam's drivers. It was working perfectly before but it > stopped working after 6511 (i checked). (i'am talking about the "not > released webcam"). Thanx!! :) (BTW, bu

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-11 Thread Max
I see at least one thing missing (imho) in the TODO-list and it is a bug fix for the pwc webcam's drivers. It was working perfectly before but it stopped working after 6511 (i checked). (i'am talking about the "not released webcam"). On 6/11/06, Vivia Nikolaidou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, 1

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-11 Thread Vivia Nikolaidou
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Youness Alaoui wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 00:06:12 -0400, Youness Alaoui > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > yes ? no ? > > > > YES. > SO WHERE THE FUCK IS EVERYBODY :@ I just woke up. Good morning! Seriously, we have an empty TODO-list, so this can explain all the

Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-10 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 00:06:12 -0400, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yes ? no ? > YES. SO WHERE THE FUCK IS EVERYBODY :@ -- KaKaRoTo ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/l

[Amsn-devel] ML still working ?

2006-06-10 Thread Youness Alaoui
yes ? no ? -- KaKaRoTo ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel