I've been recovering % slowly last week (after a couple large initial
gaps ups) and seemed to have topped off last weekend at a reasonable
historical number. Rankings seems to be reasonable as well. All I
can say is this Android Market roller coaster sure is a wild ride.
Doug
On Mar 22, 10:11
Today I suddenly recovered 10% of the lost users and 3 places in the
rankiings. So we are halfway there.
Still not a peep from Google as far as my e-mails to them are
concerned.
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On 2011-03-17 01:46, Zsolt Vasvari wrote:
I don't know. Does a lower power phone means Android 2.1?? I don't
think so as I don't believe that the hardware requirements have really
changed much from 1.5 to even 2.3.
Theoretically: Not really
In reality: Yes - at least where I live.
Sure,
Just to give an update on my plight -- nothing has changed as far as
the stats and the three e-mails I sent to Google have gone unanswered.
You sent to the web link I posted ? If so, I'm surprised, they've
always answered me
there within a working day.
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Have anyone seen the peak of 17th February?? That might have been done
to balance out the drop of the 1st December?
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17.03.2011 12:46, Albert пишет:
Have anyone seen the peak of 17th February?? That might have been done
to balance out the drop of the 1st December?
Yes, I see that. But for my apps, the December 17th increase is much
smaller than the January 1st drop (about 1/3).
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On 2011-03-17 10:46, Albert wrote:
Have anyone seen the peak of 17th February?? That might have been done
to balance out the drop of the 1st December?
Well I have a fair sized bump (about 15%) on 17-19th of Feb for my app
that is popular in the US (65% users), but on my more Sweden specific
So, it may be that it is US-related or just random.
Umm that would make sense, 78% of my users are from the US and the
bump of the 17th February is for me bigger that the drop of the 1st
January
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They responded to the intial e-mail that they are investigating, but
that was a week ago. Since then I sent a couple of more e-mails to
which they haven't responded.
On Mar 17, 5:24 pm, Pent supp...@apps.dinglisch.net wrote:
Just to give an update on my plight -- nothing has changed as far as
For example, 1.6 is shown as as having a 4.8% share in one, 7.1% in
the other -- they are not even close. So, my theory to discontinue
1.5 and 1.6 support became much murkier as I have no way of knowing
which number is right and which one is BS.
It's not a matter of the overall averages
The two charts are actually showing different data, though. The one on the
right of the Statistics pages in the dev console is showing the aggregate
for all Market apps, while the one at
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html is
showing all Android devices. Not
17.03.2011 0:38, String ?:
This doesn't explain the ~20% discrepancy between total install
numbers /for the same app/ on two different places in the dev console,
though.
Yeah, that's something that bothers me too.
Would be great if someone from the Market team explained this - I can
OK, so here's something ironic... TreKing assets that breakages (like the
install percentage) precede Market changes, right? Well, the recent addition
of Statistics actually provides its own evidence for this view! I had one
app - my top seller, of course - affected by the install percentage
Would be great if someone from the Market team explained this - I can
dream, right?
All night long :/ Someonefrom google devs said (week or two ago) that noone
from Market
team is here
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17.03.2011 0:51, String пишет:
This graph is completely unlike any of my other apps, and I'll wager
it's unlike most of yours too - except for you, Zsolt. Every other app
is almost monotonically increasing, apart from very occasional (and
small) peaks. This kind of wholesale dropoff is
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm seeing a 10% drop for both of my applications on January 1st. Anyone
else?
Yup. Jan 28th as well for me on both apps.
Figuring out the ass-backwards logic behind the market as a community is
kind of fun =)
Hmm, January 28 is not a special date like New Year's Eve.
So we not only test Market but also document it :)
17.03.2011 1:35 пользователь TreKing treking...@gmail.com написал:
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com
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I'm seeing a 10% drop for both of my
Figuring out the ass-backwards logic behind the market as a community is
kind of fun =)
It's not a bug. It's a feature
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Well, I don't trust the numbers they are showing for my app, either.
I also have 2 versions, a free and a paid version.
The free version is showing that 1.5 + 1.6 = 7.4% vs. 2.4% for the
paid version. While I am no statistician, I believe this cannot be
right. I suppose it's possible that the
Perhaps - users who have newer, more expensive phones are more likely to
purchase applications.
Truth or BS? Take a guess :)
17.03.2011 1:46 пользователь Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com написал:
Well, I don't trust the numbers they are showing for my app, either.
I also have 2 versions, a
On 2011-03-16 23:45, Zsolt Vasvari wrote:
I also have 2 versions, a free and a paid version.
The free version is showing that 1.5 + 1.6 = 7.4% vs. 2.4% for the
paid version. While I am no statistician, I believe this cannot be
right.
Well, examining the stats for my own apps, I see a fair
I don't know. Does a lower power phone means Android 2.1?? I don't
think so as I don't believe that the hardware requirements have really
changed much from 1.5 to even 2.3.
In the US, the only major phone that's not on 2.0+ is the Motorola
CLIQ XT, and that's not even because of hardware
posing as a Market dev
waves hand These aren't the Market bugs you are looking for. Move along
now, move along. /waves hand
/posting as a Market dev
In all seriousness, do I feel cheated when I see my stats drop dramatically?
Yes. Do I feel like there should be some correction? Yes. Has
In all seriousness, do I feel cheated when I see my stats drop dramatically?
Yes.
Just to give an update on my plight -- nothing has changed as far as
the stats and the three e-mails I sent to Google have gone unanswered.
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That's f-ed up: According to my chart, my install # should be about
71% (what the graph shows / total installs from the main page), but
the main page shows nearly 50% fewer installs and thus my install % is
only 45%.
I can only say one thing to this: WTF
On Mar 15, 1:23 pm, Doug
On the other hand, my free app is the other way around. More installs
are shown on the first page then on the chart...
On Mar 15, 2:14 pm, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote:
That's f-ed up: According to my chart, my install # should be about
71% (what the graph shows / total installs
I wonder if there is maybe something going on with devices not phoning home
properly to collect stats. The notes at the bottom of the page seem to
suggest that nothing you see there is really that reliable.
Also wonder if piracy or highly customized devices play into these numbers
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15.03.2011 9:18, Zsolt Vasvari пишет:
On the other hand, my free app is the other way around. More installs
are shown on the first page then on the chart...
On Mar 15, 2:14 pm, Zsolt
Well, they need to phone home as I am using LVL. I think the notes on
the bottom are talking about the device info stuff.
On Mar 15, 4:21 pm, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote:
I wonder if there is maybe something going on with devices not phoning home
properly to collect stats. The notes at the
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote:
But wait! Now the Android Market will show you installation stats!
LOL - This is what competition is all about. Forcing the market to improve
it's tools.
It's interesting. Apparently I had a big install spike coming up to Jan
Hi all,
On 2011-03-15 13:48, TreKing wrote:
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Seriously. The graphs says one install count, the total on the main page
says another.
Well, I had a brief look at this and I suspect you should think of this
similar to how you review the Android version statistics.
My interpretation is
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Jonas Petersson jonas.peters...@xms.sewrote:
My interpretation ...
In fact, I'm pretty sure ...
The reason I've deduced this ...
Assuming these stats show what I think they do ...
Wouldn't it be great if someone from the Market team gave enough of a damn
In fact, I'm pretty sure the statistics page install count has *NO*
relation to whether it was actually downloaded from Market - just that
it was installed on that particular phone during some kind of update
request.
Really? My understanding was that if it wasn't installed from the
Market,
Wouldn't it be great if someone from the Market team gave enough of a damn
to take two seconds out of their life to explain what all of it actually
means instead of us having to make wild guesses and theories? Man, that
would be something ...
I think at the bottom of the screen, in really,
On 2011-03-15 14:52, Zsolt Vasvari wrote:
In fact, I'm pretty sure the statistics page install count has *NO*
relation to whether it was actually downloaded from Market - just that
it was installed on that particular phone during some kind of update
request.
Really? My understanding was that
I think another way this discrepancy may happen is when users have the
same google userId on multiple devices. I noticed it on a new app I
put out 2 days ago - shows one more install on the stats page than the
main page. I know two of the buyers and one told me that she put it on
two different
AUTOMATICALLY update from Market, but as long as it was signed with the
same key you could still manually request an update (this was a free app
- perhaps there are other restrictions on paid apps) and from then on
the automatic update would work.
Well, that cannot be the case for my app as I
I'm looking over these stats and this is just comical now.
I just have one app (technically two, free and paid version).
As you can probably tell, it's for public transit in Chicago. If you're not
aware, Chicago is in the U.S. The only place my app makes sense is in this
city, *in the US*.
In
Now the Market for all apps, which I assume to be an average or aggregate
of all (in my case two) apps, is ... 57.7% U.S.?
And 9.0% is in *South Korea* ?
I took that to mean the average across all apps and all developers. So a
Market wide average distribution.
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On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Justin Giles jtgi...@gmail.com wrote:
Now the Market for all apps, which I assume to be an average or
aggregate of all (in my case two) apps, is ... 57.7% U.S.?
And 9.0% is in *South Korea* ?
I took that to mean the average across all apps and all
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Justin Giles jtgi...@gmail.com wrote:
I can confirm that for those categories, mine also says 57.7% for US and
9.0% for South Korea, so I believe my assumption (man I hate assuming) is
correct.
That makes sense, thanks. One would think they would just update
15.03.2011 18:24, TreKing ?:
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Justin Giles jtgi...@gmail.com
mailto:jtgi...@gmail.com wrote:
I can confirm that for those categories, mine also says 57.7% for
US and 9.0% for South Korea, so I believe my assumption (man I
hate assuming) is
Funny thing is, I have more installations in South Korea than in Russia -
and the apps are only localized to English and Russian.
For one of my app 80% of active installs is, to my big surprise, South
Korea. Seems I may have to consider doing korean localisation
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I guess they have a lot of Android phones out there :)
15.03.2011 19:43, Marcin Orlowski пишет:
Funny thing is, I have more installations in South Korea than in
Russia - and the apps are only localized to English and Russian.
For one of my app 80% of active installs is, to my big surprise,
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.comwrote:
15.03.2011 18:24, TreKing пишет:
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Justin Giles jtgi...@gmail.com wrote:
I can confirm that for those categories, mine also says 57.7% for US and
9.0% for South Korea, so I believe my
15.03.2011 19:53, TreKing пишет:
Right - I'm just saying the global one should just be shown in the
platform-versions page in the docs.
Dunno. I like having a side by side comparison.
I know. They could show the same chart in two places!
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The funniest (pathetic) thing is that Google's own charts as far as %
share of Android versions don't even match up.
Compare your app's statistics page (Market all apps chart) to this:
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html
For example, 1.6 is shown as as having
My install % gapped up by 4% again and is almost fully restored to
normal. Sales and rank are doing better this week since this number has
improved for me over the past week. Hoping you'll get a similar boost...
Doug
On Friday, March 11, 2011 3:52:00 PM UTC-8, Zsolt Vasvari wrote:
I
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:12 PM, gjs garyjamessi...@gmail.com wrote:
Be interested if they do eventually provide an explanation whether the
install % jumps back to before.
My money's on no and no.
Good for you -- no such luck for me. My install % went up by 1%, but
that would happen over time as it converges to the real number. Of
course, I took a 20% hit, so my ranking is not helped and, in fact,
it's down to #11. My sales have absolutely tanked and it's no longer
worthwhile for me to
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote:
My sales have absolutely tanked and it's no longer a worthwhile for me to
maintain the app. One more release for Honeycomb and that's it for me.
Man, don't give it up 'cause of fucktards behind the Market. Publish on
I am absolutely planning on moving to the Amazon Market, but how do I
do it?
I cannot just unpublish the app as, I assume, the LVL would fail for
the current users. I guess I could just raise the price to $999 and
then direct them to the Amazon Market in the app description, but I
assume that's
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote:
I am absolutely planning on moving to the Amazon Market, but how do I
do it?
I cannot just unpublish the app as, I assume, the LVL would fail for
the current users. I guess I could just raise the price to $999 and
You can have the app listed in multiple markets. Just don't update the one
in the Android Market. Consider it passive income when and if people buy it
from there.
But existing users would rightfully get pissed if they got no updates
while another market does.
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But existing users would rightfully get pissed if they got no updates
while another market does.
Yeah, I understand that. I guess my post earlier was a bit harsh towards
the users. I was under the impression you were wanting to abandon the
Android market all together. Anyway, from what I've
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote:
But existing users would rightfully get pissed if they got no updates while
another market does.
I'd continue updating both, but focus on Amazon. Release updates to Amazon
first and to the Market a week or a month later.
But wait! Now the Android Market will show you installation stats!
It's interesting. Apparently I had a big install spike coming up to Jan 1
this year, and a similar drop the next few days. Also, I had a sustained
run up through the middle of Feb, but then a drop after that. None of this
Wow, I was worried about one of my keyboards dropping from 65% to 60%, but
if others are seeing a 35%-40% average, I guess I should be happy!
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Be interested if they do eventually provide an explanation whether
the install % jumps back to before.
Regards
On Mar 12, 10:52 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote:
I finally got a response from Google that they are looking into the
problem, but no change in the install %.
My
Today I noticed my active install %, which had gapped down lately, has
gapped back up by 4% overnight. No change in ranking, though.
If these trends have any validity at all, it must mean my users are an
extremely fickle bunch!
Doug
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I finally got a response from Google that they are looking into the
problem, but no change in the install %.
My sales are down 75% from the norm, though.
On Mar 12, 2:15 am, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote:
Today I noticed my active install %, which had gapped down lately, has
gapped back up
Nothing is impossible, but I doubt it in this case. My app is
probably the 2nd most popular (but the highest average rating) among
it's direct competitors, but the #1 app has not moved down in ranking,
actually the opposite. My app has also never been on the front page
that I know of, which I
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:54 AM, DraganA dand...@gmail.com wrote:
On the other hand, maybe Google realized that a lot of people are bored
with seeeing the same old apps on the front Market page week in week out.
Seriously. Every time I see the giant promo graphic for Talking Tom Cat on
the
On the other hand, maybe Google realized that a lot of people are bored
with seeeing the same old apps on the front Market page week in week out.
Seriously. Every time I see the giant promo graphic for Talking Tom Cat on
the Market main screen, I want to punch my phone in the face. It's been
When I made my earlier post, the bloody cat was exactly what I had in
mind ;)
On Mar 9, 2:04 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:54 AM, DraganA dand...@gmail.com wrote:
On the other hand, maybe Google realized that a lot of people are bored
with seeeing the same
Psst, hey Amazon, can you open up already?
I am definetely taking my app to the Amazon store as soon as it opens,
even if my ranking/sales recover. Frankly, it's bullshit that I
cannot even get an acknowledgment e-mail from Google to my problem
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I really think it is just an auto sweep that corrects the installed
base numbers to account for uninstallations performed outside the
market. If I remove an app on my phone, but not connected to the web,
the market service must pick that up at a later date. I think Google
does sweeps like this in
Like I said before, I sort of agree with Roger's assessment. That being
said, my percentage for my pay app has dropped by 4% in the past 3 days.
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Roger Podacter rogerpodac...@gmail.comwrote:
I really think it is just an auto sweep that corrects the installed
I don't believe this is the case:
- Only my paid version dropped in install %, the free version is still
the same as before.
- My ranking in my category has dropped from 3 to 10 in the course of
a week, for no apparent reason (no new competitors, no sudden 1-
stars), so the only explanation is
Just to make myself heard: you're not alone here, Zsolt. I don't monitor my
install percentage closely (I have enough on my plate already) but the last
week or so, my rankings have all nosedived, with sales following right
behind. No updates in the timeframe, no other externalities AFAICT.
I'm
It's good to know that I am not alone. I've gone through various
channels now, but I haven't had an answer yet from any of them, not
too surprisingly.
I don't know about the algorithm change -- the install % is pretty
black white in my book and none of my main competitors have suffered
the same
On the other hand, maybe Google realized that a lot of people are
bored with seeeing the same old apps on the front Market page week in
week out. I think this old system created a bigger and bigger divide
between established apps and the new apps that have no chance to even
come near the big ones,
My install % is down to 46% now that the latest count has been
updated.
Diane, I am sorry to directly e-mail you, but I am copying you on this
-- please forward as appropriate. I've been trying to help people on
here, but I now need help from Google -- this problem is ruining my
business.
Did you try here:
http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/request.py?contact_ty...
There is no free-form e-mail option there that I can see, and none of
the topics apply in my case.
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On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:44 AM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote:
There is no free-form e-mail option there that I can see, and none of the
topics apply in my case.
Just pick one - maybe the bugs one - it's the closest you're going to get
to support for this issue.
44% -- anybody wants to take a bet how long it will be before I lose
all my users?
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On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:44 AM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote:
There is no free-form e-mail option there that I can see, and none of the
topics
Also, ranking is down to #10, sales are off at least 50%.
On Mar 8, 11:05 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote:
44% -- anybody wants to take a bet how long it will be before I lose
all my users?
On Mar 7, 9:24 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:44 AM,
Hi,
Do you suddenly have some more competition ?
Regards
On Mar 8, 2:10 pm, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, ranking is down to #10, sales are off at least 50%.
On Mar 8, 11:05 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote:
44% -- anybody wants to take a bet how long it
Nope, not that I can see. Even if I did, my app is a personal finance
app, which is not the kind of app that people would suddenly abandon
in droves, as they need to migrate their financial data over.
On Mar 8, 2:46 pm, gjs garyjamessi...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Do you suddenly have some more
My install % is down to 46% now that the latest count has been
updated.
Diane, I am sorry to directly e-mail you, but I am copying you on this
-- please forward as appropriate. I've been trying to help people on
here, but I now need help from Google -- this problem is ruining my
business. My
Media Video. The ranking drop was worse than I indicated before.
Fortunately, sales has not suffered too much, but I'd hate to be losing
money over a market bug.
Maybe your ranking was too high before and you've made more money than
you should have :-)
The point is that it doesn't make
For those that this is happening to, did you release an update to your
app recently? What do you guys have in common?
Remember the dreaded Active Install Drop of December 2009, where it
didn't affect everyone except those who released an update on or near
a certain date?
==
I released an update on Feb 28th. My sales have been halved since the
drop in active %/rank, so I am not happy about it, obviously.
On Mar 6, 2:39 am, Seni Sangrujee s...@fieldteams.com wrote:
For those that this is happening to, did you release an update to your
app recently? What do you
Yeah, 64 to 52 a couple of weeks ago, slowly slipped down to 47 now. I
wouldn't mind if it wasn't a disaster for ranking.
Pent
On Mar 4, 6:50 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote:
My app went from 62% to 56% in one day Say it all...
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On 4 March 2011 09:03, Pent supp...@apps.dinglisch.net wrote:
Yeah, 64 to 52 a couple of weeks ago, slowly slipped down to 47 now. I
wouldn't mind if it wasn't a disaster for ranking.
On Mar 4, 6:50 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote:
My app went from 62% to 56% in one day Say it
On 4 March 2011 09:53, Marcin Orlowski webnet.andr...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 March 2011 09:03, Pent supp...@apps.dinglisch.net wrote:
Yeah, 64 to 52 a couple of weeks ago, slowly slipped down to 47 now. I
wouldn't mind if it wasn't a disaster for ranking.
On Mar 4, 6:50 am, Zsolt Vasvari
keep it (so your userbase will grow anyway), the download to installed
ratio will go down. My observation is that is usually oscilate at
35%-40% for most apps with 50k and more downloads
It was 62% yesterday -- it's 56% today...
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On 4 March 2011 10:26, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote:
keep it (so your userbase will grow anyway), the download to installed
ratio will go down. My observation is that is usually oscilate at
35%-40% for most apps with 50k and more downloads
It was 62% yesterday -- it's 56%
And how
My app Radar Now! has held steady at 55% over the last six months.
That's with nearly 1.5 million downloads. I think everything, market
statistics wise, is stable at the moment.
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My app Radar Now! has held steady at 55% over the last six months.
That's with nearly 1.5 million downloads. I think everything, market
statistics wise, is stable at the moment.
I think you are the exception so far. :-)
Yup, mine is down to 50% from 62% 2 days ago. As a result (?), my app
has dropped from #3 to #6 in its category ranking. Not good, but of
course, we have zero recourse or explanation, as usual.
On Mar 5, 6:34 am, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 4, 6:15 am, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru)
If there was a problem with the a few weeks of downloads, my app
wouldn't really show any problem. From your figures, it does sound as
if something has gone bonkers.
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My app has dropped significantly in rankings as well. Used to be around #6,
not hovering at #10. I've wondered if it had anything to do with with
install % problems. I don't have anything empirical to link the two events,
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So we are in exactly the same boat. What category is in your app in?
Mine is Finance.
On Mar 5, 10:50 am, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote:
My app has dropped significantly in rankings as well. Used to be around #6,
not hovering at #10. I've wondered if it had anything to do with with
install
I am asking anybody from the Google team (Dianne? anybody really) even
if they are not on the Market team, to please notify somebody on the
Market team about this thread. I am not expecting a response, only
that my install % be restored.
On Mar 5, 10:50 am, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote:
My app
Hate to break this to you, but I have never had my % restored. If
anything, the percentage slowly corrects itself but never recovers to the
original amount. What I highly suspect this is (in most cases), a
correction. What I mean by correction is that when someone uninstalls you
app, it might
Media Video. The ranking drop was worse than I indicated before.
Fortunately, sales has not suffered too much, but I'd hate to be losing
money over a market bug.
On Friday, March 4, 2011 6:52:06 PM UTC-8, Zsolt Vasvari wrote:
So we are in exactly the same boat. What category is in your
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