[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-08 Thread Al Sutton
Market makes use of Google Checkout which is probably the cause of some payment problems. At AndAppStore we use PayPal who have a more mature product than Checkout and extend to more countries. We also pass 100% of payments to the developer in a direct user to developer transaction which side

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-08 Thread Denis Souza
Well, they did manage to pull it off for AdSense... I would think that doing the same thing again would be much easier. On Jul 8, 5:28 am, ko5tik kpriblo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jul 7, 11:40 pm, Michael A. michael.aki...@gmail.com wrote: The legal logistical issues are of course why this is

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-08 Thread Denis Souza
Google did manage to solve all those problems for AdSense, which is available in a lot of countries. Why not use the same structure for Google Checkout? On Jul 7, 4:03 pm, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: My understanding is that the problem is more a legal logistical issue than a

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-08 Thread Al Sutton
As a follow on to those wanting to know more about the limitations on Checkout you can find Googles page on it at http://checkout.google.com/support/sell/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=134420 Al. On Jul 8, 12:52 pm, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: Market makes use of Google Checkout which is

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-08 Thread Michael A.
On Jul 8, 10:28 am, ko5tik kpriblo...@yahoo.com wrote: Google is big and visible - so they have to comply with goverment demands in the countries they are physically present. (everybody likes to chisel out something - like german cities a fee for streetview based on street length). Small

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-07 Thread ko5tik
On Jul 6, 10:19 am, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: Just to address your point on collecting information from Googles Market; I've talked to someone at Google about this and it was an absolute no-go. The request wasn't for AndAppStore, but for another project that I was working on

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-07 Thread Michael A.
On Jul 6, 8:22 am, ko5tik kpriblo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jul 6, 12:01 am, moneytoo m...@seznam.cz wrote: It depends on what you want to charge the user for. From 3.3: All fees received by Developers for Products distributed via the Market must be processed by the Market’s Payment

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-07 Thread Michael A.
My answers based on what I've gathered from the mailing lists/forums over the past 6 months + my reading of the DDA. On Jul 6, 8:51 am, Chister Nordvik cnord...@gmail.com wrote: Well, if we only could get Google to confirm this... Spotify - free in the market, but you have to be a subscriber

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-07 Thread Michael A.
Apologies for the formatting on those posts. On Jul 7, 12:03 pm, Michael A. michael.aki...@gmail.com wrote: My answers based on what I've gathered from the mailing lists/forums over the past 6 months + my reading of the DDA. On Jul 6, 8:51 am, Chister Nordvik cnord...@gmail.com wrote:

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-07 Thread tobias429
1. Publish a paid app on the market, you get 70% of the revenue, Google (or the OHA) gets 30% 2. Only serious alternative to generate revenue: publish a free app and put advertising on. The percentage of the advertising revenue that you get is typically at the advertising-company's discretion.

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-07 Thread Al Sutton
It's using an unofficial API and could be cut off at any point. It also doesn't allow you to actually download the apps, only display the app listing information. Al. On Jul 7, 8:00 am, ko5tik kpriblo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jul 6, 10:19 am, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: Just to

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-07 Thread Denis Souza
Could there be any chance that with the new Android Market, made to support some features in Froyo, Google would also allow more countries to sell apps? Does anyone have any idea of when this new Market would be released? On Jul 7, 10:30 am, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: It's using an

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-07 Thread Al Sutton
My understanding is that the problem is more a legal logistical issue than a technical one (e.g complying with local tax requirements and laws governing resale of goods supplied from a country), so a software update alone won't help. Al. On Jul 7, 7:34 pm, Denis Souza denis.so...@gmail.com

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-07 Thread Michael A.
The legal logistical issues are of course why this is not just a technical issue, but after 2 years? There are dozens upon dozens of digital distribution platforms out there - some of them started after the Android market - that manage to handle purchase and developer sales from multiple

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-07 Thread Michael A.
The legal logistical issues are of course why this is not just a technical issue, but after 2 years? There are dozens upon dozens of digital distribution platforms out there - some of them started after the Android market - that manage to handle purchase and developer sales from multiple

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-06 Thread ko5tik
On Jul 6, 12:01 am, moneytoo m...@seznam.cz wrote: It depends on what you want to charge the user for. From 3.3: All fees received by Developers for Products distributed via the Market must be processed by the Market’s Payment Processor. Definition ofroducts: Software, content and digital

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-06 Thread Chister Nordvik
I think you can distribute your free app  through market, and provide paypal financed donwload of paid parts through some other means.   This way your paid parts are not served through market. Well, if we only could get Google to confirm this... Spotify - free in the market, but you have to

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-06 Thread Al Sutton
It's a chicken and egg scenario. We, at AndAppStore, see a fair amount of traffic and purchases, but nowhere near the volume of Market. Because of this many developers don't list with us because they don't want the hassle of maintaining multiple listings (i.e. one at Market and one at

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-06 Thread Chister Nordvik
The alternative market approach is hopeless in my eyes. Currently we have at least: SlideMe, AndAppStore, AndroidPit, SE PlayNow, Motorola, Lenovo, Handango, Mobihand, OnlyAndroid, GetJar ++ You will not get me submitting screenshotsAPK and descriptions for all of those. And I guess there are

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-06 Thread Al Sutton
Just to address your point on collecting information from Googles Market; I've talked to someone at Google about this and it was an absolute no-go. The request wasn't for AndAppStore, but for another project that I was working on part of and some people at Google had shown some interest in. So in

Re: [android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-06 Thread Shane Isbell
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Chister Nordvik cnord...@gmail.com wrote: The alternative market approach is hopeless in my eyes. Currently we have at least: SlideMe, AndAppStore, AndroidPit, SE PlayNow, Motorola, Lenovo, Handango, Mobihand, OnlyAndroid, GetJar ++ The space has gotten

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-05 Thread moneytoo
It depends on what you want to charge the user for. From 3.3: All fees received by Developers for Products distributed via the Market must be processed by the Market’s Payment Processor. Definition ofroducts: Software, content and digital materials created for Devices in accordance with the

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-05 Thread Denis Souza
So, essentially, you can't use it? What would be an allowed use of PayPal's library according to the Market's TOS? I live in a country where Google doesn't allow me to sell apps on the Market. I was thinking of using PayPal's solution as an alternative so the user could do an in-app upgrade from

Re: [android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-05 Thread Shane Isbell
According to the Distimo report, Android Market has 57% free apps compared to iPhone at 28%. So I don't think Android Market terms are slowing growth of total apps but rather just making Android developers poorer than they would otherwise be: developers just give up and release their app for free.

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-05 Thread Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru)
Another issue is the pay-once-support-forever model. Personally, I'd rather give the app out for free and run ads than sell it once and have to support the darn thing forever. Until the Android market supports a subscription model, I won't be selling any apps. -John Coryat -- You received this

[android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-05 Thread Mathias Lin
The Android Market is bothering lots of developers, but Google doesn't seem to change anything about it or at least communicate anything about it. Hoping for an alternative market like slide.me to catch on and become an alternative de-facto standard and vendors would eventually pre-install it on

Re: [android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-05 Thread Alex Xin
Some Paypal employees in China told me that I can list my app in market as free but use their payment library in my app to ask user to pay for it. They even told me that Google allow this. Those Paypal employees said that because Google doesn't allow Chinese developers to publish paid apps in

Re: [android-developers] Re: paypal mobile payment allowed?

2010-07-05 Thread Shane Isbell
Unfortunately, if you look at an alternative site like SlideME, they haven't had much in the way of major features or changes in over 9 months. Payments methods haven't changed for them in 18 months, still just major credit cards. They are moving about as fast as Google now. On Mon, Jul 5, 2010