Re: [android-security-discuss] Re: Rooting the emulator?

2010-09-07 Thread Chris Palmer
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Earlence earlencefe...@gmail.com wrote: but this is only thru the adb shell. Yes. And that's a good thing. Rooted phones give normal application processes access to su and hence privileged commands. Sounds like a horrible security risk to me! :) How can

Re: [android-security-discuss] user application login

2010-09-07 Thread Chris Palmer
From the first time the user registers himself he should be logged on permanently, except the user logs out explicitely What's the common approach for this? My intention is to store a simple value as SharedPreference when the user is logged in. On application startup this value will be

Re: [android-security-discuss] Re: Rooting the emulator?

2010-09-07 Thread Chris Palmer
That is why the superuser app (standard root provider for almost 2 years) prompts the user to get permission for the app before allowing su. Of course. Unfortunately, Superuser is a veritable bestiary of Android security bug classes. We reported them when we discovered them, but they have gone

[android-discuss] Re: Android Tablets...

2010-09-04 Thread Chris Stratton
On Sep 3, 7:57 pm, Paul Morgan jumanji...@gmail.com wrote: Add to the list: * local git client Sure... me too. But then we'll be asking for a case sensitive filesystem and a C compiler... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Discuss group. To

[android-discuss] Re: using usb to PC with Internet sharing (opposite of tethering) ??

2010-09-03 Thread Chris Stratton
The easy way is to get a wireless router and use it just like a laptop would. The hard way is to root the nexus, write some proxy drivers and muck around with the network setup to forward connections to the pc... On Sep 3, 6:41 pm, higonnet bthigon...@gmail.com wrote: I have a measured 3G data

[android-security-discuss] Re: Stored passwords

2010-09-02 Thread Chris Stratton
Stored website passwords are in clear text protected only by process linux file system permissions, so accessable to anyone in possesion of your device long enough to root it. Obfuscating them wouldn't be very secure as the source code of the browser and underlying engines is available. On Sep

Re: [android-security-discuss] Re: Stored passwords

2010-09-02 Thread Chris Palmer
Regarding hardware key storage: The Android Compatibillity Definition Document (http://source.android.com/compatibility/android-2.2-cdd.pdf) does not specify one, so no. Therefore, applications would have to get keying material from somewhere else, such as a user's PIN or password. Failing that,

Re: [android-security-discuss] String Encryption on android

2010-09-02 Thread Chris Palmer
Can you tell me a good library for password en/decryption which works on android and google app engine. I have to send an encrypted string via webservices between android and gae. I don't know anything about App Engine, but in one minute I was able to find out that it has PyCrypto:

[android-discuss] Re: Odd size Dell Aero screen: 360x640 px

2010-08-24 Thread Chris Stratton
I think thhe most critical question might be if the phone displays things the same way a stock android 1.5 emulator modified to have its resolution does - or if not, if an emulator of comparable behavior will be available. Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) wrote: Dell's first US released smart

[android-discuss] Re: My Nexus One is great! When it works, that is.

2010-08-21 Thread Chris Stratton
higonnet wrote: In my experience, if I do lots of stuff with it, I inevitably get screwed. Lots of stuff means turning wifi on then off many times during the day, enabling and disabling data (I have a measured data plan and I'm cheap) many times during the day. I very often am unable to get

Re: [android-discuss] Re: Saving PNG files to the SDCard

2010-08-13 Thread Chris Stratton
Are they by any chance found after unmounting and remounting the sd card? Gallery often won't initially see things written by adb for example. Brian Conrad wrote: I asked it here because it's more of a loose question and if others have done anything like this. More of a discussion than trying

Re: [android-security-discuss] Re: question about publishing app in the android market

2010-07-27 Thread Chris Palmer
Do you mean Secrets by Brandon Stecklein? That is not a Google app. It uses Coarse Location and Internet permissions; if it can access email or SMS messages that would he a problem. Are you saying that it can? On Jul 26, 2010 1:27 PM, sharedwd share...@gmail.com wrote: The user will see when

Re: [android-security-discuss] Re: question about publishing app in the android market

2010-07-27 Thread Chris Palmer
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/06/exercising-our-remote-application.html On Jul 27, 2010 7:42 PM, Duane Blanchard dblanch...@gmail.com wrote: Can you tell me more about the occasion that they used the kill button? Thx, D On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Xenplex

[android-discuss] 20 Percent of Android Apps Can Threaten Privacy

2010-06-23 Thread Chris - Diddo Team
Reading http://www.pcworld.com/article/199621/20_percent_of_android_apps_can_threaten_privacy_says_vendor.html?tk=hp_new I can't help but feel cheated. Undoubtedly the report used permissions to determine the 'security' of apps: the more dangerous permissions requested = more risk. Of course

Re: [android-discuss] Re: Question about junky apps

2010-05-24 Thread Chris Jordan
Except not everyone has a Facebook account. I just cancelled mine. Chris On May 24, 2010 3:07 PM, Shane Isbell shane.isb...@gmail.com wrote: One of the things I'm considering in regards to social encouragement is tighter integration with facebook. That way you can see app comments from friends

Re: [android-discuss] Re: Question about junky apps

2010-05-24 Thread Chris Jordan
things like login (between facebook and zapp accounts), it would just mean that you would see general comments and recommendations. On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Chris Jordan cjor...@emailblues.com wrote: Except not everyone has a Facebook account. I just cancelled mine. Chris On May

[android-discuss] Re: Negative comments from users

2010-05-23 Thread Chris - Diddo Team
For my app, I get about 5 cents per 1000 uses. For most apps, getting enough users (20,000 opens per $ per day) is quite difficult. The other challenge is getting people to use it. Just having ad- supported apps sitting on their phone provides no revenue. And the issue is that if people like

Re: [android-discuss] Re: App rating system and eliciting constructive criticism

2010-05-11 Thread Chris Jordan
It is here. Android is out selling iPhone! It is only second now to Blackberry. http://www.pcworld.com/article/195958/android_outsells_apple_iphone_at_last_says_npd.html On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 4:47 PM, ThatNateGuy nathanw...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, Matt. Excellent post. I'm definitely with

Re: [android-discuss] Re: WePad

2010-05-09 Thread Chris Jordan
at 12:05 AM, Chris Jordan cjordan...@gmail.comwrote: When I first saw the iPad, I thought, great, Google will come out with an Android version of this. Then I saw the WeTab and thought somebody had beat them to it. But, after further reading I see the WeTab is not truly an Android device

[android-discuss] Re: WePad

2010-05-08 Thread Chris
Yes, from the time I made the post until it appeared, they renamed the device from WePad to WeTab and changed the URL. http://wetab.mobi/en Since you guys didn't comment on the device, can I assume you don't like it? Chris On May 8, 6:15 am, Andy Burns usenet.apr2...@adslpipe.co.uk wrote: Al

[android-discuss] Re: WePad

2010-05-08 Thread Chris
in the vertical position and too difficult to keep it in place when typing with both hands in the landscape position. I suppose the books/magazines look appealing on it but I already have a BN Nook for that. Thanks for you comments, Chris On May 8, 9:33 am, Andy Burns usenet.apr2...@adslpipe.co.uk

Re: [android-discuss] Re: WePad

2010-05-08 Thread Chris Jordan
When I first saw the iPad, I thought, great, Google will come out with an Android version of this. Then I saw the WeTab and thought somebody had beat them to it. But, after further reading I see the WeTab is not truly an Android device as Al pointed out. Hopefully Google will come out with

[android-discuss] WePad

2010-05-07 Thread Chris
There is a nice video demo in English on the Android Pit website: http://www.androidpit.com/en/android/blog/392121/WePad-Pre-Testing I hope they offer it in the US! Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Discuss group. To post to this group

[android-discuss] Beta Test - Diddo - Discover Apps!

2010-04-19 Thread Chris - Diddo Team
Hello Android Community! This is Chris from the Diddo Team, and we are pleased to announce the public beta of Diddo!. Diddo! is an application discovery service that matches you and your android phone to android apps, helping you find otherwise hidden applications! Features Include: -Smooth

[android-discuss] Re: Please improve the soft keypad and add a password check box.

2010-03-08 Thread Chris Stratton
When someone handed me an iphone to input my contact info I realized that while the resolution is the same the screen is maybe 15% wider which makes the portrait keyboard vastly better. The iphone also seems free of android's error inducing random lagginess. On Jan 22, 10:21 am, Hong

Re: [android-discuss] Re: edit emails when forwarded on android

2010-03-07 Thread Chris Stratton
and not necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's subsidiaries. On 6 Mar 2010, at 21:03, Chris Stratton wrote: As far as I know right now you have to use the web interface to gmail. Wish it were otherwise HcMAX wrote: Hello, On anfroid-gmail, when I

[android-discuss] Re: USB-Master in Android

2010-03-07 Thread Chris Stratton
Droid, hero, and mytouch have usb master capability confirmed (g1 suspected but untested) however at least for the htc phones kernel patches are needed. see the msm usb host thread on android-kernel AH wrote: Hello, is there a way to plug in USB-Devices into an Android-Device (perhaps with a

[android-discuss] Re: Engadget article asking whether android fragmentation will destory the platform

2010-03-06 Thread Chris Stratton
I could see a world in which android productively fragm... differentiates into several tiers: Tier 1 devices are actively supported by manufacturers who provide updates, host their own markets (or boutiques within markets) of apps they have tested and certified to work well with their devices,

[android-discuss] Re: edit emails when forwarded on android

2010-03-06 Thread Chris Stratton
As far as I know right now you have to use the web interface to gmail. Wish it were otherwise HcMAX wrote: Hello, On anfroid-gmail, when I forward an email, how can I edit the quoted text? It's too too bad I can't do it Please give me some ideas. Thanks and Best Regards, Hugo

[android-discuss] Re: Reasons for Root?

2010-03-04 Thread Chris Stratton
I would actually argue that allowing power users to have root ultimately makes for a more secure application platform. Its pretty much inevitable that it will happen eventually by one means or another, but making it available up front ensures that anyone who *really* needs security takes the fact

Re: [android-discuss] Re: HTC Hero runs Droid 1.5 but the focus is on 2.x

2010-03-04 Thread Chris Stratton
Al Sutton wrote: If you want to talk about disappointment about updates then talk to an HTC Tattoo owner. 3 months after the big product launch in Oct / Nov last year it comes to light that 1.6 is all it's getting due to hardware constraints. Sounds like the PCjr... ie, trying to build a

[android-discuss] Re: Chording

2010-02-26 Thread Chris Stratton
Do you actually type with two fingers? I find my phone usually fails to register touches unless its held in the palm of the opposing hand (something to do with the capacitive sensing I guess), so I type with my dominant index finger. Using my thumb to more than mash confirm buttons requires a

[android-discuss] How should USB OTG fit into android ?

2010-02-15 Thread Chris Stratton
Now that at least three android phones (droid, hero, magic) have experimental USB host drivers, perhaps it's time to think about how USB OTG, or at least some form of host/device switching, might best be added to the android kernel and platform. - What's the best way to organize the host gadget

[android-discuss] css font-family issue

2010-02-02 Thread Chris
Has anyone been able to choose a font from the ones installed on the android. I have tried various things but basically what I am looking for is something along the lines of body { font-family: Droid Serif; } Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- You received this message because you

[android-discuss] UK to US publisher account

2009-12-30 Thread chris price
Hi, I have a UK publisher account and a couple of apps. I notice around 25% of the orders get cannceled becase of payment declined, I assume this is due to the apps being in GBP I am happy to create a new account and republish the apps in USD. Can I create a US publisher account? Can someone

[android-discuss] Setting up a Google Mail account (not gmail) on the Samsung Moment.

2009-12-15 Thread Chris
I have spent 2 days with the Sprint store reps and Sprints phone tech support on this issue to no avail. I'm trying to switch from a blackberry to the Samsung Moment (android 1.5 phone) on Sprint. But I need to make sure I can set up my email on the phone first and so far the answer is no but

[android-discuss] Re: access voice dialer through my bluetooth

2009-12-07 Thread Chris
Press the button on the Bluetooth and Droid should be able to engage voice dialer and you should be able to call someone via voice from bluetooth and all the other fun functionality voice dialer has. Anyone know when the Google developers ( or third party devs ) will have this functionality

[android-discuss] Re: Android 2.0

2009-12-07 Thread Chris
On Nov 13, 1:35 pm, Abdul Mateen abmat...@gmail.com wrote: May be never Well aren't you quite the 'glass-is-half-empty' sorta guy? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Discuss group. To post to this group, send email to

[android-discuss] Re: Root access and legality...

2009-11-11 Thread Chris Kelley
Thank you. Hmmm... maybe it's time to start researching unlocking info... =D Thanks again, Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Discuss group. To post to this group, send email to android-disc...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from

[android-discuss] Root access and legality...

2009-11-05 Thread Chris Kelley
with this? Thanks! -Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Discuss group. To post to this group, send email to android-disc...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-discuss+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more

Re: [android-security-discuss] Re: Enterprise Security support

2009-10-30 Thread Chris Palmer
is unknown and will stay so because it is only the released code that is open in Android. That doesn't mean that Google or Android are bad, it just means that there are fairly big limits to what externals can contribute with. - Original Message - From: Chris Palmer To: android-security

[android-security-discuss] Re: No security mechanism to protect again reflection?

2009-10-28 Thread Chris Palmer
You can load and use the classes, but they will execute with the permission of your app, not of the app whose code you're borrowing. Or are you saying the code runs as the other app? Even if Android did stop app A from borrowing app B's code as found on the device, app A (or the developer of A)

[android-security-discuss] Re: Nov 2, Social Web Camp in Santa Clara

2009-10-28 Thread Chris Palmer
Best of luck to you; I'm all for web auth alternatives. However, I think you've got an uphill battle here. The usability concerns you raise and that your commenters raise are not ancillary to the key problem -- they *are* the key problem. The set of secure systems is a subset of the usable

[android-security-discuss] Re: Enterprise Security Requirements

2009-10-19 Thread Chris Palmer
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Grizzly griz...@grizzlylabs.com wrote: remote location. Is it possible to implement a API that allows a data provider the ability to list security settings before allowing access? In other words can my VPN ask the device if a password is set?

[android-discuss] Re: Don't Stop CyanogenMod!

2009-09-29 Thread Chris Stratton
On Sep 29, 9:56 am, lbcoder lbco...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect that it is going to become a matter of need that at least *some* of the google closed apps be distributed directly by google from their website. Mainly and especially maps. On a purely practical level, the lack of any competition

[android-discuss] Re: Android Developer Support from Sprint

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Stratton
On Sep 25, 7:07 am, gjs garyjamessi...@gmail.com wrote: And you can use Tmobile G1 on other 3g networks, I have since Nov 2008 - its called unlocking... You can use it on other 3G networks that have the same 3G system tmobile has. The other nationwide GSM network in the US, ATT's, uses an

[android-discuss] Re: Android Developer Support from Sprint

2009-09-24 Thread Chris Stratton
On Sep 24, 10:03 am, lbcoder lbco...@gmail.com wrote: What good is a free sprint device when it is stuck using sprint for the rest of its existence? 1) You could find out at no cost how well the sprint network works in your location, and decide if its something you want to pay for 2) I'd

[android-discuss] Re: Android Developer Support from Sprint

2009-09-24 Thread Chris Heiden
Hello, The more to the group the better. A little healthy debate is good but let's not clobber everyone. -- Chris On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.comwrote: Lets just welcome the sprint people and be grateful that they're taking the time to engage with us

[android-discuss] Re: Android Developer Support from Sprint

2009-09-24 Thread Chris Stratton
On Sep 24, 1:38 pm, lbcoder lbco...@gmail.com wrote: With sprint, user's don't have that choice. If they want to switch carriers, they are forced to dump in (in the case of an android or other high end smartphone) hundreds of dollars to switch carriers. lbcoder, to which other US nationwide

[android-discuss] Re: Can Android use an external Bluetooth GPS unit?

2009-09-18 Thread Chris Stratton
There is a someone who has made an experimental bluetooth package one of the demos for which is for receiving rfcomm data from an external gps. But I think it merely prints the raw messages on the screen. On Sep 9, 9:46 am, lbcoder lbco...@gmail.com wrote: Ok then, to answer your question, no,

[android-security-discuss] Re: Protecting /system/app packages from extraction?

2009-08-26 Thread Chris Stratton
On Aug 25, 3:01 am, Scytmo scy...@scytmo.org.uk wrote: So, assuming that the APKs in /system/app have had their classes.dex extracted and optimized to separate .odex files, it sounds like removing world read permission from the .odex files would prevent the code being extracted from a live

[android-security-discuss] Re: Third-party native code protection

2009-08-25 Thread Chris Stratton
On Aug 24, 4:19 pm, William Enck e...@cse.psu.edu wrote: PPS: Limiting JNI library loads to just libraries reside in /system is possible. I've done it, it works, the patch is below. Sure we need to consider other things like exec(), but it's a start. +    if (strncmp(pathName, /system, 7)

[android-security-discuss] Re: Third-party native code protection

2009-08-24 Thread Chris Palmer
Don't think of Java, perhaps especially Dalvik, as a way to protect against kernel bugs. Userland can't generally defend in depth against kernel flaws. Like all operating systems, Android trusts the kernel to uphold the kernel's own design guarantees. If the guarantee is broken, that's a kernel

[android-security-discuss] Re: Third-party native code protection

2009-08-24 Thread Chris Palmer
immediately, but there is a reason why skydivers carry two parachutes. -Will Chris Palmer wrote: Don't think of Java, perhaps especially Dalvik, as a way to protect against kernel bugs. Userland can't generally defend in depth against kernel flaws. Like all operating systems, Android

[android-security-discuss] Re: Looking for contribution topic

2009-08-13 Thread Chris Palmer
As always, I don't speak for my employer or any of my employer's clients. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:43 AM, juanfeandr...@inalambris.com wrote: http://www.mail-archive.com/android-security-discuss@googlegroups.com/msg00193.html Have you tried this scenario recently, with Cupcake or the latest

[android-discuss] Re: HTC Magic Wifi not working

2009-07-22 Thread Chris
I was having a problem connecting to my Belkin router. The HTC Magic would see other networks in the area but not my router unless I removed all security. This was strange because my Mac and iPod Touch could see and connect to the router without any problems. I reset the router and everytime I

[android-security-discuss] Re: Method to enforce System Wide Security Policy

2009-07-14 Thread Chris Palmer
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:07 AM, Akhilesh Guptaakhilesh.iitde...@gmail.com wrote: I basically want that on the press of a button(or a command), the device switches to a mode in which certain services such as bluetooth, wi-fi, camera and/or gps be disabled (i.e. no application can access

[android-security-discuss] Re: Android PGP

2009-06-02 Thread Chris Palmer
All, If I wrote a good quality JAVA implementation of PGP and released it under the Android/Apache license, what are the chances of making it in to the Android API? Thanks Chris

[android-security-discuss] Re: Get Process ID of while launching any specific application

2009-05-20 Thread Chris Rutherford
? Thanks Chris

[android-security-discuss] Re: Any advantage of a CA-signed certificate?

2009-05-04 Thread Chris Rutherford
of apps are attributable to a given developer without problems, the trust given to that developer increases (like in ebay). Could this be achieved technically and would it solve the problem of (evil) developers not being accountable for their actions? Chris On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:19 PM, jfr andr

[android-discuss] Re: The future of Android - market share.

2009-04-04 Thread Chris
I tend to agree. It'll be interesting to see if Nokia/Symbian can keep up. They still sell 50% or so of total handsets. What I'd like to see is Android and Google Apps and Cloud become a business leader. On Apr 3, 3:46 pm, lbcoder lbco...@gmail.com wrote: Current market share is very

[android-discuss] Re: G1 dissapoinment

2009-04-04 Thread Chris Eidhof
calls. This kind of sucks. I did a complete reset. I don't think the problem is in the hardware, because the buttons responds perfectly when I'm not trying to answer calls or hang up calls. -chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you

[android-discuss] Market Download Problems?

2009-03-24 Thread Chris Q.
I was wondering why paid apps have problem downloading?, out of 2 paid apps both have had problems (then 2+hours later they finally downloaded). Is there a wait period to download the apps? -Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you

[android-discuss] Re: What is the best price to charge for an app?

2009-03-21 Thread Chris Greening
The majority of apps on the appstore are priced at $1-$3 Anything higher than that is seen as expensive. On 20 Mar, 16:41, admin.androidsl...@googlemail.com admin.androidsl...@googlemail.com wrote: People seem willing to pay less for android apps than on appstore. I've seen good apps costing

[android-discuss] Re: What is the best price to charge for an app?

2009-03-21 Thread Chris Greening
If you don't have iTunes then you can see all the site sorted by popularity on the app store using this website: http://mobclix.com/appstore/1/app/-allcats/0/rank/page/1 On 20 Mar, 16:41, admin.androidsl...@googlemail.com admin.androidsl...@googlemail.com wrote: People seem willing to pay

[android-discuss] Re: iPhone OS 3.0

2009-03-19 Thread Chris Greening
There was a big discussion about this on the iPhone forums. The conclusion was that Objective-C is find for most things. If you're doing some number crunching on some complex data structures (e.g. vectors/matrices etc) then you'll probably want to re-use your C++ libraries. The interface to

[android-discuss] Re: G1 dissapoinment

2009-03-18 Thread Chris Greening
Yes, I have one on my desk right now in the UK and it's working fine. On 18 Mar, 01:42, zlam zlamina...@gmail.com wrote: My understanding is that the G1 is a dual band 3G phone. It uses UMTS band IV for 3G in the US and UMTS band I elsewhere. Europe uses UMTS band I as do Japan and Korea. The

[android-discuss] Re: G1 dissapoinment

2009-03-14 Thread Chris Greening
I'm nt sure where you are getting you are information from. What makes you think that 1700/2100 only works on one operator in the whole world On Mar 13, 1:22 pm, jbraun juan.br...@gmail.com wrote: I don’t know about you, but I feel very disappointed with G1. I bought it because, being

[android-discuss] Re: Microsoft app store details

2009-03-12 Thread Chris Greening
I've done quite a bit of windows mobile programming for my day job. The compact framework and Visual Studio 2008 are really nice to work with. The big problem is that most devices out there in the field only have CF2.0. So you either stick with the slightly outdated stuff (a pain if you want to

[android-discuss] Re: Where's my gold rush??

2009-03-10 Thread Chris Greening
You're not wasting your time, but if you want to make any monry it's going to take a combination of events: A hell of a lot of luck. An idea that is great No-one else having the same idea. The skill to actually pull it off without making a complete mess of it. The marketing genius to get anyone

[android-discuss] Re: Banned from Android Community

2009-01-13 Thread Chris E.
On Jan 13, 7:11 pm, Disconnect dc.disconn...@gmail.com wrote: And yes, you are a troll. I don't usually respond with such nonsense but hahahahahahaha. You ARE a troll. That's hilarious. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are

[android-discuss] Using Corporate Based Web Proxy via Wifi

2008-12-08 Thread Chris E.
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[android-discuss] Re: Response to a really old message

2008-10-28 Thread Chris
Hi incognito Actualy , Piggyback is one of the 11-20 winners. and we killed 1700 projects just with our doc.(no tests at all before the 100- 50 selection) cheers chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

[android-discuss] Re: HTC Dream + Android, sans T-Mobile deal?

2008-10-02 Thread Chris
Looks like they can't even send a device to the winners of the ADC1. And i don't see google becoming a phone retailer ... At this point i wouldn't expect much from google and try to find one in uk or Ebay. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message

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