Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Zoran Vasiljevic
On Monday 07 February 2005 23:25, Dossy Shiobara wrote: Seems fair. I assume you will be putting responses bypassing this public list in some place where everybody can see them, right? Unfortunately, no. I thought about this and decided that I want to respect people's desire to remain

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 04:25:46PM -0500, Dossy Shiobara wrote: Let's admit it, AS will never get so popular as apache or IIS and all efforts for making it popular without something that will differentiate it from apache is waste of time. Maybe I'm deluded, but I'm not ready to admit this

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Bernd Eidenschink
Hi Dossy, I think the reason behind both issues is because the proposed contributions weren't that great. I'm sure this statement tweaks a lot of people, but I think it's the truth. I'm not the expert to verify that on the C level, but the situation was: There was a solution done by aD from

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Stephen Deasey
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:06:21 +0100, Zoran Vasiljevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my wish-list. Do whatever you consider appropriate. It is *far* from complete, but I guess I have to start with something. (I have no reason of hiding it, I'm not secret service): Interesting list. Here's

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Dave Bauer
- Add hooks to plugin alternate filesystems (Tcl VFS) so you can serve stuff out of zipfiles, for example This in on my wish list as well. It would make plug-in storage for tDAV much easier. Right now tDAV cannot take advantage of fastpath since it makes C calls to the filesystem (for

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Bernd Eidenschink
This is my wish-list. Do whatever you consider appropriate. It is *far* from complete, but I guess I have to start with something. (I have no reason of hiding it, I'm not secret service): * A debug/development mode that reveals all running filters, triggered filters, better insight in

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Jim Wilcoxson
Hi - I read the entire thread mentioned below, and missed any mention of anyone saying the AS maintainers would not accept FastCGI. The other thing I guess I'm confused about, is that CGI is implemented as an AS module. Why can't someone write a FastCGI module, and whoever wants it can load it

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 11:04:24AM +0100, Bernd Eidenschink wrote: I think the reason behind both issues is because the proposed contributions weren't that great. I'm sure this statement tweaks a lot of people, but I think it's the truth. I'm not the expert to verify that on the C level,

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 06:16:58AM -0800, Jim Wilcoxson wrote: Hi - I read the entire thread mentioned below, and missed any mention of anyone saying the AS maintainers would not accept FastCGI. Read the end John's 2005-02-07 post to that thread again.

Re: [AOLSERVER] ns_encrypt error

2005-02-08 Thread Daniel P. Stasinski
On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 11:33 -0500, Brooks Robertson wrote: Hmm, I have a pub and priv key in the nsecrypt dir. The log also indicates that the module was successfully loaded at startup. Would bad keys cause an invalid command name error on ns_encrypt? Nope. Are you using AOLserver 3.5.x or

Re: [AOLSERVER] ns_encrypt error

2005-02-08 Thread Brooks Robertson
In a message dated 2/8/2005 11:47:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nope. Are you using AOLserver 3.5.x or 4.x? I never updated the sourceto run under 4.x so no idea what problems could be caused. I'm running 4.03 and using a binary from aolserver.com. Not sure where togo

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Tom Jackson
On Tuesday 08 February 2005 06:20, Bernd Eidenschink wrote: * Having a 'real' config file with _all_ default values. Maybe the current grep-thru-code way could somehow be simplified. Check my new, 'complete' config file: http://rmadilo.com/m2/ starting at jnm.tcl Config file is broken into

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2005.02.08, Tom Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NOTE2: users of virtual servers running 4.0.8 or 4.0.9 should upgrade to 4.0.10, due to a DOS bug. If you need info, email me directly. Unless this is a different DoS issue than the one we discussed, the fix requiring defaultservers was added

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Tom Jackson
On Tuesday 08 February 2005 02:24, Stephen Deasey wrote: sourceforge, plus the following additional items: Added a simple cookie API in C and Tcl. Check out a tcl version of cookie code. It reads the Cookie header and writes both Set-Cookie and Set-Cookie2 headers. I believe it parses

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Zoran Vasiljevic
On Tuesday 08 February 2005 18:32, Andrew Piskorski wrote: On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 09:12:06AM -0800, Tom Jackson wrote: * Some kind of watchdog functionality Actually only a built in module would work very well, and fast. Every solution I've seen is a true hack, which is why it

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Tom Jackson
On Tuesday 08 February 2005 09:31, Dossy Shiobara wrote: On 2005.02.08, Tom Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NOTE2: users of virtual servers running 4.0.8 or 4.0.9 should upgrade to 4.0.10, due to a DOS bug. If you need info, email me directly. Unless this is a different DoS issue than the

Re: [AOLSERVER] the something that is not right with the AOLserver project ... was Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Adam Turoff
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:39:28 -0500, Andrew Piskorski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please, *OF COURSE* the 3 guys who want to add multi-protocol support to the AOLserver core are a minority of AOLserver users! *YOU* are a minority of AOLserver users too, Dossy. Right. There's a huge difference

Re: [AOLSERVER] the something that is not right with the AOLserver project ... was Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Greg Wolff
BNA uses AOLserver to produce publishing artifacts on web pages. We publish subscription content on the web. We use the server to produce HTML over the HTTP protocol. Our subscribers log into the web site and read / print what they need to get their own jobs done. End of story. The 5 line

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver manpages as HTML (was Re: AOLserver facelift.)

2005-02-08 Thread Zoran Vasiljevic
On Tuesday 08 February 2005 17:54, Dossy Shiobara wrote: - Convert docs in Tcl doctools format so you get instant HTML and nroff output and deliver that with the distro I'm not convinced that the Tcl doctools format is the way to go Have you ever tried doctools? Why are you not

Re: [AOLSERVER] ns_encrypt error

2005-02-08 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2005.02.08, Brooks Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running 4.03 and using a binary from aolserver.com. Not sure where to go from here. Thanks for the information. Everyone, Brooks NOT using the nsencrypt module that's in SourceForge and available from aolserver.com. He's using a

Re: [AOLSERVER] multi protocol question

2005-02-08 Thread Rick Cobb
We're interested in using this work, too. A lot of our deployments (especially those that are focused on getting live [no-refresh] updates via JavaScript) end up being slowed down by the requirement to adapt to Javascript cross-domain security; we'd like to be able to run as an appserver behind

Re: [AOLSERVER] multi protocol question

2005-02-08 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2005.02.08, John Sequeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question regarding the multi-protocol patches discussed on the list in August. Was a decision made on these? Is it likely that AOLServer core would include this support anytime soon? It depends on how you define soon but my

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver manpages as HTML

2005-02-08 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2005.02.08, Zoran Vasiljevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 08 February 2005 17:54, Dossy Shiobara wrote: - Convert docs in Tcl doctools format so you get instant HTML and nroff output and deliver that with the distro I'm not convinced that the Tcl doctools format is the way

Re: [AOLSERVER] multi protocol question

2005-02-08 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2005.02.08, Rick Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're interested in using this work, too. A lot of our deployments (especially those that are focused on getting live [no-refresh] updates via JavaScript) end up being slowed down by the requirement to adapt to Javascript cross-domain security;

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday 04 February 2005 16:34, Tom Jackson wrote: C. Working examples of database integration, expecially ODBC and if possible MySQL. Other examples are mentioned as foreign: OACS, for instance. Note that ACS, and OACS are responsible for a large percentage of users, and these projects

Re: [AOLSERVER] multi protocol question

2005-02-08 Thread John Sequeira
Dossy Shiobara dossy at PANOPTIC.COM writes: To clarify, you want AOLserver to act as a FastCGI client? Can you explain the benefit of this approach, rather than having the front-end webserver simply proxy HTTP requests to AOLserver? This is where the Apache team is going with Tomcat with

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Tim Moss
After lurking on the list for quite some time I have to say that I strongly second many of Tom's comments. PLEASE, don't take any of this personally none of it is aimed at individuals, and none is intended as anything other than constructive criticism. My thoughts mixed in below:

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2005.02.08, Tim Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone is offering to donate freely, commercial-grade hosting on AOLserver, please contact me. Surely AOL could provide this as a way of thanking the efforts of the community developers? The downside of this is that no one from outside

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Tom Jackson
Dossy quoted Tom: 6. Split the discussion between C level source code and applications. There's few enough AOLserver developers who deal at the C code level that having a separate mailing list In reply, On Tuesday 08 February 2005 14:01, Tim Moss wrote: I too don't think splitting

[AOLSERVER] AOLserver, NTLM, Apache+mod_proxy, and FastCGI (was Re: multi protocol question)

2005-02-08 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2005.02.08, John Sequeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you say integrated security are you talking about the NTLM auth scheme for HTTP? As long as mod_proxy properly handles HTTP Keep-Alive, and recent Apache mod_proxy does, NTLM auth should work just fine. We're talking about

[AOLSERVER] AOLserver Tutorials on the Wiki (was Re: AOLserver facelift.)

2005-02-08 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2005.02.08, Tom Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without discussion on the website about how to use AOLserver, via Tutorials, etc. [...] I urge anyone and everyone to contribute whatever tutorials they can write: http://aolserver.com/wiki/Tutorials There's a few things already there,

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver, NTLM, Apache+mod_proxy, and FastCGI (was Re: multi protocol question)

2005-02-08 Thread John Sequeira
Dossy Shiobara wrote: On 2005.02.08, John Sequeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you sure about this? Do you have network sniffs showing what's actually happening between the browser and the server(s)? If Apache's mod_proxy is smart and its Keep-Alive is smart, then fronting IIS and AOLserver with

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver, NTLM, Apache+mod_proxy, and FastCGI (was Re: multi protocol question)

2005-02-08 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2005.02.08, John Sequeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are correct. My point was only that AOLServer would get the header unmodified, and then not be able to do anything useful with it lacking something like nsntlm. If IIS sat in front (i.e. using FastCGI), IIS could do the ntlm

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver, NTLM, Apache+mod_proxy, and FastCGI (was Re: multi protocol question)

2005-02-08 Thread dhogaza
On 2005.02.08, John Sequeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be clear, this isn't /replacing/ AOLserver with Apache or IIS, but simply allowing Apache or IIS to front an AOLserver. I can totally understand someone wanting to fund the necessary development to make OpenACS or .LRN work without

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Tim Moss
-Original Message- From: AOLserver Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dossy Shiobara Sent: 08 February 2005 23:21 To: AOLSERVER@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift. On 2005.02.08, Tim Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone is offering to

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift.

2005-02-08 Thread Tim Moss
-Original Message- From: AOLserver Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Jackson Sent: 09 February 2005 00:55 To: AOLSERVER@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver facelift. Dossy quoted Tom: 6. Split the discussion between C level source code and

[AOLSERVER] Better documentation of available config options (was Re: AOLserver facelift.)

2005-02-08 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2005.02.09, Tim Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it is of any use to anyone (it worked around about 4.03 4.04 I think) here's my sample config file with all of the server config values in it and some of the common modules: http://www.site-speed.com/aolserver/sample_nsd.tcl One thing I

Re: [AOLSERVER] Hosting, discussions, branching, modules

2005-02-08 Thread Malte Sussdorff
After reading throught the digest of the discussion on this list and remembering Dossy's statement about donating a server, I'm more than inclined to ask the OpenACS Core Team to allow the creation of an AOLserver community at openacs.org or host a service on one of our machines. For one, I think

[AOLSERVER] Asterisk and AOLserver

2005-02-08 Thread Malte Sussdorff
While reading the previous postings I stumbled upon multiple mentioning of multi protocol support and asterisk, therefore I assume people on this list are knowledgeable about this topic. Here is what we need: We run a CRM system on top of AOLserver. The CRM system contains the phone numbers of