Re: [AOLSERVER] aolserver focus

2007-08-08 Thread Bas Scheffers
On 8 Aug 2007, at 14:08, Tom Jackson wrote: general indications? Uhhh, I mean what is memcache, how do you use it and why is it useful? Otherwise, it isn't useful to me or anyone else without a clue. http://www.danga.com/memcached/ is brilliant. I have not used it in AOLserver yet, though.

Re: [AOLSERVER] aolserver focus

2007-08-08 Thread John Buckman
On 2007.08.07, John Buckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use AOLserver + lighthttpd on the same machine, different IPs, so that mp3s and GIF/JPEGs are fed off lighthttpd, which is stupid and very fast (it's wikipedia's media server) Out of curiousity--have you benchmarked lighttpd vs. AOLserver

Re: [AOLSERVER] aolserver focus

2007-08-08 Thread Daniël Mantione
Op Tue, 7 Aug 2007, schreef Dossy Shiobara: Hold on a second--define superior, please. I see absolutely no reason to run a separate nsd process per user, giving you full process isolation instead of this uid-juggling stuff that Apache does. With Apache, if you want to make a server config

Re: [AOLSERVER] aolserver focus

2007-08-08 Thread Jeff R
Tom Jackson wrote: Jeff, I cut out what I said, but believe me I have never made an argument that Apache was better than AOLserver for anything other than extreme mass hosting of cgi style applications. If you look at the technology and underlying architecture, I don't think it's even

Re: [AOLSERVER] aolserver focus

2007-08-08 Thread Guan Yang
Bas Scheffers wrote: http://www.danga.com/memcached/ is brilliant. I have not used it in AOLserver yet, though. There is a Tcl only client but for best performance you'd probably be best off creating a module using one of the C libraries available. When I last tried memcached, I used the

Re: [AOLSERVER] aolserver focus

2007-08-08 Thread 'Jesus' Jeff Rogers
Daniël Mantione wrote: Ok, practical example: We have a server, two users want to run OpenACS, and 20 users simply wants to code PHP/MySQL. Proposal to the system administrator: Put pound on Port 80 and have requests for the two OpenACS users redirected to their own AOLserver process. Now,

Re: [AOLSERVER] aolserver focus

2007-08-08 Thread Jeff Rogers
Dossy Shiobara wrote: http://panoptic.com/wiki/aolserver/AOLserver_Cookbook#Server-side_Includes I'm only half-joking here--that code I threw up on the wiki was written and tested very, very briefly as a proof-of-concept and only handles the include SSI tag ... it uses a registered ADP tag for

Re: [AOLSERVER] aolserver focus

2007-08-08 Thread John Buckman
Or as an alternate answer: use apache itself as the proxy. The poor saps who subject themselves to PHP will be happy and the OACS users can have a real system to work with. Are there any caching proxy plugins for aolserver? I have cheap bandwidth in other countries, which I'd like to

Re: [AOLSERVER] aolserver focus

2007-08-08 Thread Daniël Mantione
Op Wed, 8 Aug 2007, schreef 'Jesus' Jeff Rogers: Daniël Mantione wrote: Ok, practical example: We have a server, two users want to run OpenACS, and 20 users simply wants to code PHP/MySQL. Proposal to the system administrator: Put pound on Port 80 and have requests for the two

[AOLSERVER] memcached (was: Re: [AOLSERVER] aolserver focus)

2007-08-08 Thread Bas Scheffers
I don't think you can solve it in libmemcached, it seems to always open and close. You can pool requests, but that would be annoying with a page full of elements, I would say. http://www.outoforder.cc/projects/libs/apr_memcache/ does use configurable pooling and would be my choice for

Re: [AOLSERVER] aolserver focus

2007-08-08 Thread Jeff Rogers
Daniël Mantione wrote: Again, a practical situation: How many PHP packages support such headers? (Even OpenACS doesn't support them, so you would have to fix OpenACS too.) Can you (socially) convince those users to rewrite the PHP apps for you to use your OpenACS? As a practical solution, if

Re: [AOLSERVER] aolserver focus

2007-08-08 Thread Gustaf Neumann
Daniël Mantione schrieb: Again, a practical situation: How many PHP packages support such headers? (Even OpenACS doesn't support them, so you would have to fix OpenACS too.) i am not sure, where this discussion is supposed to lead to. A couple of years ago, i argued here on the list to have

Re: [AOLSERVER] aolserver focus

2007-08-08 Thread Daniël Mantione
Op Wed, 8 Aug 2007, schreef Gustaf Neumann: Daniël Mantione schrieb: Again, a practical situation: How many PHP packages support such headers? (Even OpenACS doesn't support them, so you would have to fix OpenACS too.) i am not sure, where this discussion is supposed to lead to. A

Re: [AOLSERVER] aolserver focus

2007-08-08 Thread Thorpe Mayes
I predict that AOLServer will be gone within 10 years. Maybe 5 years. People will say: It was really good software. I do not know what happened. It does not have to turn out that way. This is the second time in a year or so that I have seen this discussion on this list. It always

[AOLSERVER] async background delivery

2007-08-08 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 08:31:00AM +0200, John Buckman wrote: Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] aolserver focus as far as what lighthttpd and mathopd are doing to get better speeds, is that they both are not multithreaded, they are just a single async loop, serving static files. I remember that

Re: [AOLSERVER] suexec (WAS: aolserver focus)

2007-08-08 Thread Jeff Hobbs
Jeff R wrote: Apache can start a new process with any uid/gid only through a wrapper program, and a proxy too in the case of the worker mpm. Which is not all that different from what aolserver would need to do if someone wanted that functionality. suexec is AFAIU a stand-alone wrapper and

[AOLSERVER] Speaking of nsdci...

2007-08-08 Thread Rick Cobb
I see it on Google Code (http://code.google.com/p/nsdci/), but not on the modules wiki (http://panoptic.com/wiki/aolserver/Modules#Miscellaneous); I'll add it, but wondered why it wasn't there? What's its status? -- ReC -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this

Re: [AOLSERVER] async background delivery

2007-08-08 Thread John Buckman
as far as what lighthttpd and mathopd are doing to get better speeds, is that they both are not multithreaded, they are just a single async loop, serving static files. I remember that this was an option in Aolserver v2, but I believe it went away in v3. Gustaf Neumann of WU-Wien patched

Re: [AOLSERVER] Speaking of nsdci...

2007-08-08 Thread Nathan Folkman
It hasn't been officially released or announced as of yet. Tt's in more of an initial development release phase at the moment. Still lots of documentation to be done. There is currently no roadmap or timeline to share with everyone either at this time. - n On 8/8/07, Rick Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [AOLSERVER] async background delivery

2007-08-08 Thread Tom Jackson
I know it doesn't require any patches, but you can offload your image server pretty easily, very efficiently as follows: img src=%= $Template(gserv) %/graphics/soa-logo4.gif height=33 width=246 Where Template(gserv) is set for each page request, obviously this could be as simple or complex

Re: [AOLSERVER] async background delivery

2007-08-08 Thread Jade Rubick
What's nice about this model is that you can plug in external content hosting services quite easily. Jade On 8/8/07, Tom Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it doesn't require any patches, but you can offload your image server pretty easily, very efficiently as follows: img src=%=

Re: [AOLSERVER] Speaking of nsdci...

2007-08-08 Thread Jade Rubick
Is it used in production? Is there a plan to do any further development or documentation for it? Jade On 8/8/07, Nathan Folkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It hasn't been officially released or announced as of yet. Tt's in more of an initial development release phase at the moment. Still lots of

Re: [AOLSERVER] Speaking of nsdci...

2007-08-08 Thread Nathan Folkman
A variant is used in production, although it's not exactly the same. There's only a couple of us working on updating this code at the moment, but I'd be more then happy to add anyone to the project who is interested in contributing. There are a bunch of sample configuration files, which honestly

Re: [AOLSERVER] async background delivery

2007-08-08 Thread Rusty Brooks
I actually go a step further and redefine the img tag altogether (there are other tags I modify also). In my case, I have an image database in my system that I often make reference to in static documents and it's nice to be able to say img src=dbid or img src=img_name I also take the

Re: [AOLSERVER] async background delivery

2007-08-08 Thread Tom Jackson
I've never replaced an html tag, but here is some code which handles typical details of using a registered tag: http://rmadilo.com/files/cams/tcl/cams-procs.tcl The image tag is a good example of where certain attributes are not part of the html standard, but are used to create the img tag.