Re: [Apple-Crop] Fwd: Cold temp. After planting

[Arthur Kelly]

We don’t have a forecast for anything below the high 20s over the next week.

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> On Mar 30, 2018, at 7:11 PM, Win Cowgill  wrote:
> 
> My friend Jon Clements wants more information on what moderating temperatures 
> means?
> 
> The origional question was should cherry trees be planted now, with 15F 
> temperatures forecast for the following Tuesday.
> 
> My reponse was Do not plant until temperatures moderate!   
> 
> I would not plant if temperatures following planting are foecasted to be 
> below 28F, but in all honesty it is better to wait until temperatures 
> moderate above 32F- nursery trees that  have been in cold storage all winter 
> are ususally a bit stressed. Exposing them to 15F is a recipie for cold 
> injury to the buds, especially on bench grafted trees.
> 
> The other consideration is new trees or rootstock is not going to grow if the 
> soil is really cold. As the temperature moderates the soil temperate rises 
> and roots will grow.
> 
> Win
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>>> On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:46 PM, Dean  wrote:
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>>> 15 * low is predicted next tues. Should I plant cherry trees or leave in 
>>> the cooler?
>>> 
>>> Regards, Dean
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Re: [Apple-Crop] Cold temp. After planting

[maurice tougas]

15? It's April next week!


On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Win Cowgill  wrote:

> Do not plant until temperatures moderate!
> win
>
>
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> > On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:46 PM, Dean  wrote:
> >
> > 15 * low is predicted next tues. Should I plant cherry trees or leave in
> the cooler?
> >
> > Regards, Dean
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Re: [Apple-Crop] Cold temp. After planting

[Win Cowgill]

Do not plant until temperatures moderate!
win



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> On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:46 PM, Dean  wrote:
> 
> 15 * low is predicted next tues. Should I plant cherry trees or leave in the 
> cooler?
> 
> Regards, Dean
> Www.berrypatchfarm.com
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Re: [Apple-Crop] Oil application myth busting...???

[Mike Belco]

Here’s what I’ve heard over the years. This isn’t from the official oil label:

Precautions on using oils:
Oils are highly refined petroleum products and, as such, will have some 
compatibility problems. Generally speaking, oils should not be used within 14 
days of a pesticide containing sulfur (such as Captan, Sulfur, or Morestan). If 
applied closer than 14 days, phytotoxicity can occur with symptoms such as leaf 
tip burn showing up on trees. Many fungicides are compatible with oil – be sure 
to check the compatibility chart in the Fruit Management Guide or the pesticide 
label.

Temperature also plays a role in the safety of oil sprays to the tree. 
Generally speaking, oil sprays will make plant tissue more susceptible to cold 
injury and should be applied when temperatures are going to be above 40 degrees 
F. This makes it difficult to apply oils under typical Michigan conditions. 
Leaf tip burn and blossom damage can occur when there are sub-freezing 
temperatures after oils sprayed at half-inch or later.

Overall, an oil spray that is properly timed is one of the most important 
insecticide applications you will make all year. Often, insect and mite 
populations are controlled well enough with this spray so that later aphid, 
scale, and mite control can be reduced or eliminated.

My fruit extension agent says you pretty much have the whole month of April – 
just do it before the flower buds spread apart.

Per my extension agent – freezing temperatures within 24  hours after applying 
oil can damage flower buds. Generally to smaller, part-time and backyard fruit 
growers the recommendation is don’t use if temperatures below 40. However, as 
you dig further into the topic recommendations for commercial fruit growers 
talk about temperatures in the range of 35 or so. Another commonly asked 
question at this point of the year is “When is it too late to apply dormant oil 
in the season?” Over the years I have used a rule of thumb which is that once 
flower clusters have separated then it is too late to apply dormant oil sprays. 
Lastly, most of the killing effect on mite and scale insects of dormant oil 
occurs in the first 24 hours after application. This is important to know in 
that you would hope not to have any rain event during that first 24 hours after 
application.


Mike Belco

Integrated Pest Management Specialist
Ruth Mott Foundation/Applewood
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Flint, Mi 48503
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From: apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] On Behalf Of 
Jon Clements
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 3:02 PM
To: Apple-Crop discussion list 
Subject: [Apple-Crop] Oil application myth busting...???

True or false?

1.) When dormant, or late dormant, it's OK to put oil on when the night time 
temperatures drop below 32 F.? (Note the Damoil label simply says do not apply 
when the temperature is below 32 F.)

2.) As buds break, and green tissues shows, tissue damage is more likely if oil 
is applied during the day and night time temperature drops below freezing?

3.) Pears and apples different when it comes to oil application(s)?

4.) 2 to 3% oil is magical because that is in all the recommendations and it's 
been that way forever? (But the damoil label says "For concentrate spray, use 
no more than 4 gallons of this product per acre in minimum 20 gallons of 
spray." Huh, isn't that like 20%?)

:-)



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