Re: [apple-crop] lightning

2015-01-13 Thread David A. Rosenberger
In most cases, damage along the trellis will diminish with distance because 
metal posts and/or trees attached to the trellis will act as grounds to 
dissipate the charge.  How many trees are killed or damaged will depend on many 
different factors, including the strength of the initial lightening strike, the 
size and moisture content of the trees that are tied to the wire, and the 
conductivity of trellis posts.  Pressure-treated wooden line posts may serve to 
direct the current to the ground when the posts are wet from rain, so in some 
cases only a single “panel” of trees will be killed or severely damaged.

Most growers overlook lightening as a cause of sudden tree death during summer. 
 I’ve been called out to diagnose tree deaths caused by lightening at least six 
times over the past 35 years.  Usually the grower will  “This tree was perfect 
last time I sprayed and now it is dead!”  Things that assist in diagnosing 
lightening include the following:
1.  The killed trees or dead limbs appear very suddenly, often in 
mid-summer (because that is when we get most of our thunderstorms). Brown-black 
leaves are still attached to the dead trees or limbs.  The killed leaves may 
have sharply bent petioles, presumably because the rapid desiccation caused by 
the heating deforms the normal arc of the leaf petiole.
2.  On trees that are not attached to a trellis, one or two trees at the 
center of the strike may be completely killed, but the tallest twigs or limbs 
on adjacent trees may show dieback caused by parallel charges that are of lower 
intensity than the main charge.  The lesser charges that kill shoot tips in 
adjacent trees dissipates to sub-lethal levels as it moves into heavier wood, 
thereby killing only is the smaller and most exposed shoots.
3.  Tangential cuts through recently killed terminal shoots may show 
“pelletized” pith in the center of the shoots because the pith contains more 
water than other shoot tissue and therefore  shrinks into distinct segments or 
“pellets” when it is instantaneously desiccated from heat associated with the 
electrical charge.
4. Several weeks after the damage was incurred, tangential cuts made 
through 1-in diameter limbs that still have normal leaves but that are located 
below killed sections of limbs will often reveal a ring of brown/black xylem 
tissue just inside the bark. The ring occurs when some of the youngest 
(outermost) xylem tissue is killed by the electrical charge but the cambium 
survives and generates healthy new xylem that overlays the damaged xylem.
5.  In southeastern New York, trunks of trees killed by lightening are 
often covered by fungal bracts within several weeks after the lightening strike 
occurred.  These bract fungi can sporulate very quickly on the killed trees 
because they were already present in the discolored xylem that is often evident 
in cross-sections of older trees.  The tree’s natural defenses keeps these 
xylem-invading fungi from moving outward into younger xylem, but they can only 
sporulate if xylem is killed all the way to the bark surfaces.  When lightening 
kills a tree,  the killed wood and the water it contains provides the perfect 
food sources for the bract fungi, so they rapid invade the wood and bark and 
produce bracts.


Dave Rosenberger, Professor Emeritus
Dept. of Plant Pathology and Plant-Microbe Biology
Cornell’s Hudson Valley Lab, P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528
   Office:  845-691-7231Cell: 845-594-3060
http://blogs.cornell.edu/plantpathhvl/blog-2014/


On Jan 13, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Rob Crassweller 
r...@psu.edumailto:r...@psu.edu wrote:

Lightning can indeed strike the new high density system wires. The charge will 
travel down the wire and literally fry the trees killing them. How many it 
kills will depend on the strength of the strike and how long your rows are.

Rob Crassweller
Professor of Horticulture
Penn State University
r...@psu.edumailto:r...@psu.edu

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On Jan 13, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Steven Bibula 
sbib...@maine.rr.commailto:sbib...@maine.rr.com wrote:

Anyone know of lightning strikes on wire trellised systems, and the effects on 
the trees?

Has anyone studied the attractiveness of these systems to lightning strikes, 
and whether grounding and foliage has much to do with it?

Steven Bibula
Plowshares Community Farm
Gorham ME

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Re: [apple-crop] lightning

2015-01-13 Thread Arthur Kelly
I am not aware of lightning strikes on any wire trellis systems in our
area but that was always one of the selling points for using monofilament
instead of wire.

Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, ME

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Steven Bibula sbib...@maine.rr.com
wrote:

 Anyone know of lightning strikes on wire trellised systems, and the
 effects on the trees?



 Has anyone studied the attractiveness of these systems to lightning
 strikes, and whether grounding and foliage has much to do with it?



 Steven Bibula

 Plowshares Community Farm

 Gorham ME



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Re: [apple-crop] lightning

2015-01-13 Thread Fleming, William
I’ve never seen lightning damage in an apple orchard but have seen it happen 
several times in grape vineyards. It usually damages the entire row and can 
even cause trellis poles to explode. Vines recover in a couple of years.
My feeling is about the same would happen with apples, if any trees actually 
died it would only be in the vicinity of the strike. Almost all of the new 
orchards I’ve seen use metal screw in anchors and/or metal conduit to support 
trees which should ground the lightning out and limit damage.

It would take some very hefty monofilament to compare to high tensile trellis 
wire.

Bill Fleming
Montana State University
Western Ag Research Center
Corvallis, MT 59828
406-961-3025

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I am not aware of lightning strikes on any wire trellis systems in our area but 
that was always one of the selling points for using monofilament instead of 
wire.

Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, ME

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Steven Bibula 
sbib...@maine.rr.commailto:sbib...@maine.rr.com wrote:
Anyone know of lightning strikes on wire trellised systems, and the effects on 
the trees?

Has anyone studied the attractiveness of these systems to lightning strikes, 
and whether grounding and foliage has much to do with it?

Steven Bibula
Plowshares Community Farm
Gorham ME


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Re: [apple-crop] lightning

2015-01-13 Thread Hugh Thomas
My sister in Ohio recently told me that a local orchard near her tried
using wires like yours ( I have a tresses system here in Montana) and had
lighting kill a lot of their trees. Must be something to it...

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Steven Bibula sbib...@maine.rr.com wrote:

 Anyone know of lightning strikes on wire trellised systems, and the
 effects on the trees?



 Has anyone studied the attractiveness of these systems to lightning
 strikes, and whether grounding and foliage has much to do with it?



 Steven Bibula

 Plowshares Community Farm

 Gorham ME



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