Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-05-12 Thread Pierre Schmitz
Am Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 02:06:31 schrieb Dan McGee: Yes, of course. I think we can take some time to let it bake, as there is not an immediate need, and when 5.0 comes out we can move it to core and then rebuild libarchive with support for both. Sure, no need to hurry. Slackware has achieved

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-05-12 Thread Firmicus
Pierre Schmitz wrote: Am Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 01:45:47 schrieb Dan McGee: You snipped out what the libarchive release notes said- liblzma supports xz AND lzma, apparently. It is all here: http://tukaani.org/xz/ Yes, but if I get it right you need

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-05-11 Thread Hugo Doria
I am sorry for resurrect this thread, but i wish to know what was decided about lzma. I still think that lzma could be a good use for us. BTW, Slackware will use the lzma compression: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt -- Hugo

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-05-11 Thread Pierre Schmitz
Am Montag, 11. Mai 2009 20:58:50 schrieb Hugo Doria: I am sorry for resurrect this thread, but i wish to know what was decided about lzma. I still think that lzma could be a good use for us. BTW, Slackware will use the lzma compression:

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-05-11 Thread Dan McGee
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Pierre Schmitz pie...@archlinux.de wrote: Am Montag, 11. Mai 2009 20:58:50 schrieb Hugo Doria: I am sorry for resurrect this thread, but i wish to know what was decided about lzma. I still think that lzma could be a good use for us. BTW, Slackware will use

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-05-11 Thread Pierre Schmitz
Am Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 01:23:16 schrieb Dan McGee: For libarchive to support lzma/xz natively, we would need liblzma in core as well. Thoughts? Sure its only a few KB. Even the complete lzma-utils package would be only 75KB. Anyway: Would it be better to use (successor) xz instead? Or ist

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-05-11 Thread Pierre Schmitz
Am Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 01:45:47 schrieb Dan McGee: You snipped out what the libarchive release notes said- liblzma supports xz AND lzma, apparently. It is all here: http://tukaani.org/xz/ Yes, but if I get it right you need http://tukaani.org/xz/xz-4.999.8beta.tar.gz which should support

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-05-11 Thread Dan McGee
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: Pierre Schmitz wrote: Am Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 01:23:16 schrieb Dan McGee: For libarchive to support lzma/xz natively, we would need liblzma in core as well. Thoughts? Sure its only a few KB. Even the complete

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-05-11 Thread Hugo Doria
A good benchmark: http://tukaani.org/lzma/benchmarks -- Hugo

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-01-14 Thread Andreas Radke
Am Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:48:11 +0100 schrieb Jan de Groot j...@jgc.homeip.net: On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 16:45 +0100, Xavier wrote: Also, if I am not mistaken, a given package is compressed only once, by the packager, but decompressed many many times (by all users). But of course the

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-01-13 Thread Hugo Doria
Yep, Compress really takes a little longer, but IIRC decompress takes almost the same time of gzip. -- Hugo

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-01-13 Thread Xavier
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Hugo Doria hugodo...@gmail.com wrote: Yep, Compress really takes a little longer, but IIRC decompress takes almost the same time of gzip. Also, if I am not mistaken, a given package is compressed only once, by the packager, but decompressed many many times

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-01-13 Thread Jan de Groot
On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 16:45 +0100, Xavier wrote: Also, if I am not mistaken, a given package is compressed only once, by the packager, but decompressed many many times (by all users). But of course the compression time needs to stay reasonable enough for the packager, and the opinion of

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-01-12 Thread Jan de Groot
On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 15:15 -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote: Where did this go? Do we have any additional opinions regarding LZMA? Personally, I think LZMA is great, and the new licensing (LGPL?) opens a lot of doors. Personally, I can't wait to see squashfs-lzma to pick up speed. I agree with

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-01-12 Thread Hugo Doria
I may be wrong, but i think we should have lzma in [core]. We could use .pkg.tar.lzma with pacman in the future. BTW, lzma + delta would be great for those with slow connections and it would save a lot of bandwidth for the Arch Linux servers. IMHO, save bandwidth is more interesting than saving

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-01-12 Thread Eric Bélanger
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Jan de Groot j...@jgc.homeip.net wrote: On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 15:15 -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote: Where did this go? Do we have any additional opinions regarding LZMA? Personally, I think LZMA is great, and the new licensing (LGPL?) opens a lot of doors.

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-01-12 Thread Daenyth Blank
I'll throw in my (non-dev) hat and say that I like this change, for what it's worth. In my eyes, the costs are very low and the benefits are real. --Daenyth

Re: [arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-01-12 Thread Dan McGee
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Eric Bélanger snowmanisc...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Jan de Groot j...@jgc.homeip.net wrote: On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 15:15 -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote: Where did this go? Do we have any additional opinions regarding LZMA? Personally, I

[arch-dev-public] LZMA - in or out? ([signoff] libarchive 2.6.0)

2009-01-03 Thread Dan McGee
On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Andreas Radke a.ra...@arcor.de wrote: I'd like to keep unneeded packages out of core. I see no need to move lzma into core. We only support tar.gz for our repos. Whoever wants to use a different format can rebuild libarchive easily. I also wonder if our new tar