RE: how to eliminate unemployement; land tax user-fees

2002-08-26 Thread Kevin Carson

From: Grey Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
User-fees are an excellent idea, but I don't think
incompatible with a Lib-Georgist land value tax:
Who supports the judiciary?  Who supports the
Dept. of War? er, Defense? -- property owners,
who need/use local police  and international police,
as well as courts, to defend their property rights.

If, hypothetically speaking, all public goods could be internalized, and 
paid for with user fees, what public domain would be left to fund with land 
taxes?  In the case of law enforcement, decentralize it to the smallest 
local level, place it under direct democratic control, and make its services 
voluntary and based on user fees.  I suspect the need for any kind of law 
enforcement in a heavily armed society would be much less (look at the 
anecdotal evidence about Kennesaw, Ga.).  And a decentralized, 
cooperatively-controlled police force could be combined with aspects of the 
current neighborhood watch system, posse comitatus, etc., in ways that would 
drastically reduce cost.

As for defense, a decentralized, stateless society would present few 
concentrated targets of value to foreign predators; it would have no central 
government to surrender; and local citizens' militias, federated as needed, 
would make any enemy so clueless as to invade pay rent in blood for every 
square foot of land occupied.  Let maritime merchants pay the cost of their 
own convoy systems against piracy.  The rest of the foreign threats the 
U.S. military defends against, it seems to me, all involve what some power 
on the other side of the globe might do within a few hundred miles of its 
own border.

I personally support smaller, annual fee-taxes,
rather than less frequent, much larger transaction
fees (eg. house ownership transfer fee of some $40 000),
for such night watchman state funding.

BTW, I like the comparison of a minarchist
night watchman state with the current, and
increasing, nanny state. (If you want to
get infected with that linguistic meme.)
Words and phrases are important, I doubt that
we can change public schools into gov't schools,
but if that gov't label had been given earlier, it
might have stuck, and would certainly be easier
to reform now.

That's the word I like to use, but it gets me labelled as one of them 
militia nuts--odd, since I have an IWW sticker on my car.

Finally, I also favor user-fees on pollution.
I think that land-tax and pollution tax can,
and should, replace all personal income tax.
My desire for companies to pay for the benefit
of corporate limited liability makes me hesitate
to elliminate the corporate income tax altogether,
but reducing it, certainly.

Interesting--how would the pollution-fees be assessed, and pollution 
measured?  Through some kind of libertarian tort law?  On the issue of 
limited liability, Rothbard argued that it could be established (vis a vis 
creditors) without any state, simply by including it up front in the terms 
of the contract.  Limited tort liability, he said, was of relatively minor 
importance.  In the case of a few industries, of course, (the nuclear power 
industry in particular), they almost certainly couldn't survive without the 
state's intervention to limit their liability.  Good riddance!




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RE: how to eliminate unemployement; land tax user-fees

2002-08-26 Thread Fred Foldvary

--- Kevin Carson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As for defense, a decentralized, stateless society would present few 
 concentrated targets of value to foreign predators; it would have no
 central government to surrender;

Tell that to the American Indians.

 and local citizens' militias, federated as needed,

OK, but federated implies unified.  Ultimate authority is decentralized, as
the lower units may secede, but the militias are unified into a federated
whole that then can indeed provide continent-wide defense.
 
Fred Foldvary

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RE: how to eliminate unemployement; land tax user-fees

2002-08-26 Thread Kevin Carson

From: Fred Foldvary [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  As for defense, a decentralized, stateless society would present few
  concentrated targets of value to foreign predators; it would have no
  central government to surrender;

Tell that to the American Indians.

OK, adding the proviso that the defenders have better than neolithic 
technology.  The civilian population of North America has more small arms 
than all the regular armies in the world, I read somewhere.  And there's a 
lot of folks in places like the northern Rockies states (and here in the 
Ozarks) with HAM radio networks, night vision equipment, and lots of how-to 
stuff by Kurt Saxon.

  and local citizens' militias, federated as needed,

OK, but federated implies unified.  Ultimate authority is decentralized, 
as
the lower units may secede, but the militias are unified into a federated
whole that then can indeed provide continent-wide defense.

But how does a loose federation of local militias, organized from the bottom 
up, alter my point about the need for taxation?


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