Re: cultural cues and queues

2002-08-20 Thread Anton Sherwood

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 As a libertarian purist, with a particular bug in my ear
 about immigration, . . .

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is that a pro-immigration bug (libertarian supporting open borders?)

Er, yes.  I have heard some libertarian arguments for influx control
but found them strained at best.

The `particular bug' is there partly because I was born overseas (to
American parents), never lived four years in one place before age 12,
and so do not consider myself from any specific place.  (The
Fourteenth Amendment citizenship clause does not apply to me, and I've
never been able to determine whether I am a citizen of any State!)

Also I worked for an immigration lawyer, and saw how arbitrary the rules
can be - so I'm not moved by the common line We welcome immigrants who
demonstrate willingness to jump through silly hoops, but not those who
defy The Law out of a selfish desire to escape oppression, get a better
job, or raise their children in a safer environment.

-- 
Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/




Re: cultural cues and queues

2002-08-04 Thread Sagewhys

I am very interested in pursuing the experiment.   I am wondering what my 
results might be at our State Unemployment Office, where the waits can 
stretch into hours.

-Terri




cultural cues and queues

2002-08-03 Thread Fred Foldvary

A while back we discussed the issue of queues, and why it is not usual to
offer to pay those ahead to switch places.
My hypothesis was that this was due to culture, and the alternative
hypothesis was that it was due to economic ignorance.

I conducted an experiment on Saturday, August 3, at my local post office.  On
Saturdays there are many waiting to be served.  The queue operates by number.
 When I arrived, there were ten people on the queue.  Since each person held
a ticket with a number, one could tell how far up the queue that person was.

I randomly offered people money to switch places with me, starting at 25c. 
Upon refusal, I increased the offer to 50c, $1, $2, and then $3.

Nobody accepted the offer.
One person said he would do it for $1500.
Others said they would just not accept money for a switch in numbers.
Even the person just ahead of me in the queue refused to switch.

One man said, #34;Money should not buy everything.#34;

I asked, #34;Why not?#34;

Man: #34;It's a principle.#34;

I: #34;Why is it a principle?#34;

Man: #34;It's my principle.#34;

Based on this evidence, I conclude that my hypothesis is not rejected.
It also seems very unlikely that the refusals are due to economic ignorance. 
The person ahead of me would likely realize that nobody else would be
affected if we switched places.  The #34;man of principle#34; confirmed
that it is a cultural convention.  Moreover, the folks seemed to think the
concept of paying to switch highly distasteful.

My wife agrees with my hypothesis.  She says such a thing #34;is just not
done.#34;

Admittedly, this is a small sample, but it seems to be that the experiment
would have a similar result if repeated.

Fred Foldvary


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Re: cultural cues and queues

2002-08-03 Thread fabio guillermo rojas


Alternative hypothesis: people will accept money only if other people
are accepting money.

Fred - next weekend, I want you recruit a person who will get in line
before you. When you arrive, announce that you will give $20 to somebody
who will let you cut in line. That planted person will then accept
the offer. Then have your fake person make the same offer. I bet somebody
will take the money.

Fabio