Re: Economics and E.T.s

2003-08-22 Thread Wei Dai
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 05:28:34PM -0400, Bryan Caplan wrote: One idea he did not explore: Maybe there is no inter-stellar travel because the benefits almost never exceed the costs. It takes years to get anywhere, and at best you find some unused natural resources. If Julian Simon's

reproductive subsidies

2003-08-22 Thread Wei Dai
James Surowiecki has an article in the New Yorker (available at http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/?030818ta_talk_surowiecki) arguing in favor of child tax credits, on the grounds that raising children produces positive externalities. My question is, has anyone done a study that quantifies how

Re: Horses and Subsistence Farming

2003-08-22 Thread Robin Hanson
On 8/21/2003, Steffen Hentrich wrote: I believe opportunity costs of ten humans pulling a plow are higher. So it is useful to employ horses. Which horse is able to teach a children, except to eat a piece of sugar? This may be true now, but the question is about subsistence farming, under which by

Re: Horses and Subsistence Farming

2003-08-22 Thread Robin Hanson
At 01:34 PM 8/22/2003 +0200, Steffen Hentrich wrote: This may be true now, but the question is about subsistence farming, under which by assumption the opportunity cost of humans is roughly the cost to feed them. But what is the difference between human intelligence or higher productivity in other

Re: Economics and E.T.s

2003-08-22 Thread Robert A. Book
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Bryan Caplan wrote: That seems to water down the Principle to complete irrelevance, doesn't it? Well, the notion that life is very unlikely, but happened on earth through sheer chance, does not require that earth is special in any fundamental physical sense. What's

Re: Horses and Subsistence Farming

2003-08-22 Thread Fred Foldvary
The issue is marginal productivity, not average productivity. The subsistence scenario is one where the supply curve of laborers is low and fat. The demand curve may rise to great heights, but eventually if falls down to meet such a low supply curve. Robin Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Economics and E.T.s

2003-08-22 Thread Robert A. Book
Right. It's another reason why I think there isn't any basis for it. Selection comes to mind. On uninhabited planets, sentient beings don't ponder this question. Quoting Robert A. Book [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Bryan Caplan wrote: That seems to water down the

Re: Economics and E.T.s

2003-08-22 Thread Wei Dai
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 10:50:35AM -0700, Fred Foldvary wrote: However, the earth is not a closed system, as we continually get energy from the sun, so even if we use up some resources, solar radiation will supply energy, and technologicalp progress will make ever more efficient use of it.

Re: Horses and Subsistence Farming (fwd)

2003-08-22 Thread Robin Hanson
Robert Book wrote: Maybe horses eat cheaper food than humans? That is, maybe you are right that horses eat 10x as much food by weight, but that doesn't mean it's 10x as much weight by dollar value. That's possible. Maybe having a horse pull a plow with one person holding it is more productive

Re: Economics and E.T.s (fwd)

2003-08-22 Thread Robin Hanson
Robert Book wrote: The usual argument is that once life reaches a level not that much further than our own, it should expand out to colonize the universe at a relatively rapid pace. Either this is wrong, or the nearest life at anything like our level must be very very far away. Well, we have

Re: Economics and E.T.s (fwd)

2003-08-22 Thread Anton Sherwood
Robert A. Book wrote: Everyone seems to assume that if there is life elsewhere, it must be so much more advanced and more perfect than we are -- but there is absolutely no evidence to support that belief. I think it's just romantic wishful thinking . . . . If life is *common* Elsewhere, it's