Re: Private urban green space

2004-08-03 Thread Fred Foldvary
--- Sampo Syreeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... libertarians are sure hostile to the public goods scene, because there the emphasis is on things that *need* to be solved publicly. Public goods means collective goods, used simultaneously by some group. This is a completely different meaning from

Re: Private urban green space

2004-08-03 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2004-08-03, Fred Foldvary uttered: Public goods means collective goods, used simultaneously by some group. This is a completely different meaning from public as in public sector. Precisely what I meant. Solved publicly is ambiguous because it can mean solved by a group or solved by

Re: Private urban green space

2004-08-02 Thread Jeffrey Rous
Why not? So many other people do; it makes me wonder what it is they dislike so much about these communities. Is it political? What many of the people I have talked to tell me they want is a house in a neighborhood where they (or their kids) can walk or ride a bike to at least some of the

Re: Private urban green space

2004-08-02 Thread Jeffrey Rous
Economists are not hostile to public goods. I guess I did overstate it a bit. Among my more conservative, pro-market economist friends, there is a general suspicion of the public goods argument. I think that mostly, this comes from a distrust of government. Fair enough. Anyway, that is where

Re: Private urban green space

2004-08-01 Thread Fred Foldvary
--- Jeffrey Rous [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do think that a lot of times, economists are hostile the the idea of a public good like a park if there is some way to make the good excludable (fenced parks in London, country clubs, etc.). -Jeff Economists are not hostile to public goods. Public

Re: Private urban green space

2004-08-01 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2004-08-01, Fred Foldvary uttered: Economists are not hostile to public goods. Still, knowledge of economics tends to make you more receptive to the idea of the invisible hand and the possibilities of private economic organization. Hence, it makes you more libertarian. And libertarians are

Re: Private urban green space

2004-08-01 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 8/1/04 3:45:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Economists are not hostile to public goods. Still, knowledge of economics tends to make you more receptive to the idea of the invisible hand and the possibilities of private economic organization. Hence, it makes you more

Re: Private urban green space

2004-07-30 Thread Fred Foldvary
today I had a discussion with a friend about urban planing and the necessity of public provision of urban green space (parks etc.). Do you know cases of private provision of urban green space and in that case, how do they make money out of it. Steffen Many residential associations provide

Re: Private urban green space

2004-07-30 Thread Ben Powell
Look at almost any condo complex, Disney World, or any private development. Almost all provide some degree of common greenspace mixed in. The large scale private development best known for its green space is Sea Ranch in California. Ben --- Stephen Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are

Re: Private urban green space

2004-07-30 Thread Jeffrey Rous
As a topic, I am more interested local parks and other local greenspace rather than golf courses and Disney World. It seems that to have parks provided by private developers requires the type of sprawling enclave development that many city planners (and most of my homebuying friends) are

Re: Private urban green space

2004-07-30 Thread Stephen Miller
That's simply not true. Many, if not most, are open to the public. It might be most courses by now... more and more private courses have moved to either a fee system, open to the public, or a combination of being open to the public, but selling memberships that are little more than bulk discounts

Re: Private urban green space

2004-07-30 Thread Stephen Miller
You have to pay to use them, but not necessarily to enjoy them. There are positive externalities all over the place. On Jul 30, 2004, at 5:08 PM, Mikhail Gambarian wrote: Anyway, you have to pay for using them. Most public parks and green areas are free to use. If you have to pay for using green