Re: Do Not Call -- The newest public interest miracle?

2003-07-01 Thread Wei Dai
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 12:26:41AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [...] could it be done more efficiently?  Probably, but I can't think of 
 it.

I can... The Do Not Call form should take a bank account number and dollar
amount. Any advertiser who pre-pays the amount I specify would be
allowed to call me.



Re: Do Not Call -- The newest public interest miracle?

2003-07-01 Thread John Morrow
This is precisely a thought that occurred to me as a way to prevent spam -- 
computers can reduce the marginal transaction cost, and liens could be put 
up against bandwidth providers to take care of any lag in the 
system.  Would be spammers would sign contracts with their ISPs, and ISPs 
with the agencies who kept track of costs for individuals and authenticated 
email coming from contracted ISPs.  A major problem is getting a critical 
mass of people to use it, so that people are not missing email from users 
of hold out ISPs.

At 07:41 PM 7/1/2003 -0400, you wrote:
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 12:26:41AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [...] could it be done more efficiently?  Probably, but I can't think of
 it.
I can... The Do Not Call form should take a bank account number and dollar
amount. Any advertiser who pre-pays the amount I specify would be
allowed to call me.





Do Not Call -- The newest public interest miracle?

2003-06-29 Thread zgocheno
As most/all of you know, our favorite regulatory agency the FTC (the nation's 
consumer protection agency as they call themselves) has established a nation-wide do 
not call list (www.donotcall.gov).  Of course, the list does not apply to 
politicians, only evil capitalists.

Now, I registered my home and mobile numbers on this list.  I will be the first to 
admit that I hate telemarketers with a passion.  I usually hang up on them, sometimes 
tell them to go to hell, etc.  I can't imagine what kind of person actually buys 
things form telemarketers (though they obviously do).  I am not crying over the 
establishment of a do not call registry.  On the contrary, it seems like a genuine 
public interest policy at first glance.  I am not alone in my deep hatred for the 
telemarketer - the FTC expects 60M Americans to eventually register for its list.  
Most of the others will probably just never figure out how to do it.  The question is, 
do we need a government regulatory agency to step in and do this?  Could you really 
stop all telemarketers without a coercive government agency and its threat of an 
$11,000 fine?

It must have something to do with the property rights of a telephone number.  Should 
anyone have the right to call you?  It is possible to set up your phone so that only 
people whose phone numbers you've specified can call you.  Same goes for internet 
spam.  But why should you have to restrict access to your email or phone from people 
who may have legitimate reasons to contact you (but you don't have their information 
ahead of time?)  You would be blocking out emergency calls from hospitals, kids at 
friends' houses, telephone booths, etc.  For businesses it would be impossible.  How 
do you indicate to everyone who could possibly call you that telemarketing is an 
unacceptable reason to call and a violation of your property rights?Could you 
establish a private do not call list that you subscribe to and that then pays 
telemarketing companies not to call you?  You'd have a pretty obvious holdout problem.

Before the do not call registry was established, companies were required (by the FTC) 
to maintain their OWN do not call lists, and you would have to request to be added, 
only after they call you and harass you one time.  But I know from experience that 
this is really an uphill battle (read: is not effective at stopping calls).  There's 
also this thing called a telezapper that we tried but I never quite figured out how 
it was supposed to work, I just know it was also ineffective.  Now, if they call, they 
will be slapped with an enormous fine, and the only people I have to tell to go to 
hell are politicians.  Music to my ears, but could it be done more efficiently?  
Probably, but I can't think of it.

- Zac Gochenour