Re: The Indeterminacy of Individual Economic Actions

2000-07-27 Thread Robin Hanson

Brian Doss wrote:
   My intuition agrees with you, at least given a five year time-scale.
   That is, if the default was to stay in SS, and people had to send in
   some form to opt out, then within a few years most people would, even
   though they won't do a similar think regarding their companies plan.
   This, with the default-as-informative-endorsement theory, suggests
   that people trust their government less than their company.

It's not necessarily an issue of less trust- it could be that people easily
see that SS is a poor investment (low or negative rate of return) and thus
decide to opt out. No doubt that some will opt out because of the trust
factor, but I think given the amount of information available on social
security, people would be making more informed choices than simply reacting
to gut "I dont trust you" instincts.

Let us say that "opt out" means that you don't get any benefits, and your
contribution is reduced down to the level required to maintain the current
inter-generational redistribution.  This is what I had in mind, but should
have said.

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Re: The Indeterminacy of Individual Economic Actions

2000-07-26 Thread Fred Foldvary

 What does this say about the economists model of human behavior?
 -- Bill Dickens
 "The Power of Suggestion: Inertia in 401(k) Participation and
 Savings Behavior"
 findings. First, 401(k) participation is significantly higher
 under automatic enrollment. Second, the default contribution
 rate and investment allocation chosen by the company under
 automatic enrollment has a strong influence on the savings
 behavior of 401(k) participants.

These findings do not change the economic model of homo economicus,
economizing man.  It takes effort and time to make changes and gather
information, so inertia is to be expected.  Optimality is subjective rather
than being based on objective rewards.  The reasons for anchoring (being
stuck on certain concepts even though not objectively true or optimal) and
information bias are the subject area of psychology rather than economics.

Fred Foldvary 



Re: The Indeterminacy of Individual Economic Actions

2000-07-25 Thread Brian Moore

Since their wasteful government continues to exist; even as wasteful
companies wither away this observation holds much appeal to me.


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From: Robin Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: The Indeterminacy of Individual Economic Actions


Bryan Caplan wrote:
  It also suggests that most people might stay with social security
  if it were made voluntary - at least for a while.

This is a really neat point, especially because I'm pretty sure it's
wrong.  I can't imagine many people who are already comfortable with
personal investing sticking with SS.  At least measured in dollars
rather than people, I'd expect more than 50% pullout from SS within a
year.

My intuition agrees with you, at least given a five year time-scale.
That is, if the default was to stay in SS, and people had to send in
some form to opt out, then within a few years most people would, even
though they won't do a similar think regarding their companies plan.
This, with the default-as-informative-endorsement theory, suggests
that people trust their government less than their company.



Robin Hanson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://hanson.gmu.edu
Asst. Prof. Economics, George Mason University
MSN 1D3, Carow Hall, Fairfax VA 22030
703-993-2326  FAX: 703-993-2323