Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex? - marraige and life
I remember reading that among Eskimos and Tibetans - the tradition has been that a couple marries only after they have a child. I'm told Dalai Lamawas born before hisparents got married - following that tradition. Also that in certain tribal communities in Central and East India -at puberty the youth of opposite sex are sent to a closed house where they change partners atleast every three days- to avoid get into relationships etc. What is true in all these?Umesh"Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi C'da: Guwahati :-). You might find it interesting to learn that fully one third of the couples ( at least) of my small village co-habit without EVER getting married. They just live together. And even highly developed counties Hori Bishtu, Hori Bishtu, C'da. Ki bhejal kotha eta kole` baaru, taate` akouei xobha-ghorot? Just because you weren't invited to the weddings does not mean that they were never married! All they did was that they went to the nearest Shiva-temple and offered tamul-paan to the priest to get the blessings to live like Horo-Gouri, probably,just didn't have enough to treat the whole village (including you)just for that occasion. :)From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Ram Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: ASSAMNET assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:25:35 -0600At 5:23 PM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da,*** Very slippery one this Ram--you are trying to rescue GoI again aren't you?No, not really - but if Assamese demand that of the GOI, wouldn't they have to know which group of people they are talking about, which group needs "protection" from the GOI so as not to become a minority in Assam.*** They ought to. But WHO do you hear from? Is it the people? Or is it the rags feeding out of MHA hands and spewing RAW sewage, and the politicians?The other day you observed that Rs. 1,000 is no big deal -- if it were to be levied as a fee for registering marriages. Shows how uninformed you are about Assam's realities. I don't blame you. You grew up at Guwahati :-). You might find it interesting to learn that fully one third of the couples ( at least) of my small village co-habit without EVER getting married. They just live together. And even highly developed counties with the best of civil institutions still recognize such unions -- as common-law couples. Because there are so many of them. (A case for protecting Assam from the unscrupulous Indians?) *** Are you suggesting that it is NOT an issue? If it is not, will you care to explain WHY? I explained WHY it is so. You did not explain why you take issue with my explanation. If you are serious about understanding the issues you would have at least explained why you do not agree. But you chose merely to re-iterate your own politically motivated and pre-conceived notions Ram. (Building a case why illegal immigration is important to Assam's economy - nay its survival?)*** Ditto the above again. You do not take a position on HOW you propose to resolve te problem, You do not fail to pay lip-service to the fact that it is a human problem too, as a perfunctory ritual, But you do not attempt to explain how it should be dealt with, and by WHOM. Instead you try to devalue it by equating my explanations about the Cown belt /Bollywood invasion of the NE with my concerns about the human aspects of the B'deshi migration.That is your choice. But it demonstrates that all you are interested in is protecting the Indian carpet-baggers' interests in Assam, while being oblivious of the poor migrants from B'desh, a far less powerful or influential group than the former. c-da *** Again, who an Assamese is is a FAKE question.Yes, that could be a fake question. Maybe the question is who else is trying to get into the Assamese bandwagon for ulterior motives, and who is trying to include others into this group?You seem to have more of a soft corner for the B'deshi illegals than for the Bihari thelawala -:) What gives C'da?*** What is the reason for your making this conclusion Ram? Can you explain?I was trying to deduce - maybe I am wrong, but you could clarify your statements below:there indeed is a distinction between those ( of different ethnic identities) who are indigenous peoples, and those who are in Assam as carpetbaggers--to exploit it, but have never accepted it as a home, regardless of how many generations they might have lived in its geographical boundaries.(A case for protecting Assam from the unscrupulous Indians?)andBesides, there is a HUMAN issue too. It is a POLITICAL problem in addition to one of legalities, just like the millions of undocumented aliens in the USA. Why do you think California won't deport all the undocumented Mexicans or Central Americans? Or why did Giuliani resisted his Republican party patriots who were attempting to oust the
Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex? - marraige and life
Title: Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority
complex? - mar
Also that in certain tribal
communities in Central and East India -at puberty the youth of
opposite sex are sent to a closed house where they change partners
atleast every three days- to avoid get into relationships etc.
What is true in all these?
*** I heard that was a practice among west and northwest Indians.
Is it true?
At 4:41 PM + 2/18/06, umesh sharma wrote:
I remember reading that among Eskimos and
Tibetans - the tradition has been that a couple marries only after
they have a child. I'm told Dalai Lamawas born before
hisparents got married - following that tradition.
Also that in certain tribal communities
in Central and East India -at puberty the youth of opposite sex
are sent to a closed house where they change partners atleast every
three days- to avoid get into relationships etc. What is true in
all these?
Umesh
Alpana B. Sarangapani
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi C'da:
Guwahati :-). You might find it interesting to learn
that fully one third of the couples ( at least) of my small
village co-habit without EVER getting married. They just live
together. A! nd even highly developed counties
Hori Bishtu, Hori Bishtu, C'da. Ki bhejal kotha eta kole`
baaru, taate` akouei xobha-ghorot?
Just because you weren't invited to the weddings does not
mean that they were never married! All they did was that they went to
the nearest Shiva-temple and offered tamul-paan to the priest to get
the blessings to live like Horo-Gouri, probably,just didn't have
enough to treat the whole village (including you)just for that
occasion. :)
From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: ASSAMNET assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority
complex?
Date: Fri, 17 Feb ! 2006 21:25:35 -0600
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At 5:23 PM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
*** Very slippery one
this Ram--you are trying to rescue GoI again aren't
you?
No, not really - but if Assamese demand that of the GOI,
wouldn't they have to know which group of people they are talking
about, which group needs protection from the GOI so as not
to become a minority in Assam.
*** They ought to. But WHO do you hear from? Is it the
people? Or is it the rags feeding out of MHA hands and spewing RAW
sewage, and the politicians?
The other day you observed that Rs. 1,000 is no big deal
-- if it were! to be levied as a fee for registering marriages. Shows
how uninformed you are about Assam's realities. I don't blame you. You
grew up at Guwahati :-). You might find it interesting to learn that
fully one third of the couples ( at least) of my small village
co-habit without EVER getting married. They just live together. And
even highly developed counties with the best of civil institutions
still recognize such unions -- as common-law couples. Because there
are so many of them.
(A case for protecting
Assam from the unscrupulous Indians?)
*** Are you suggesting that it is NOT an issue? If it is
not, will you care to explain WHY? I explained WHY it is so. You did
not explain why you take issue with my explanation. If you are serious
about understanding the issues you would have at least explained why
you do not agree. But you chose merely! to re-iterate your own
politically motivated and pre-conceived notions Ram.
(Building a case why illegal immigration is important
to Assam's economy - nay its survival?)
*** Ditto the above again. You do not take a position on
HOW you propose to resolve te problem, You do not fail to pay
lip-service to the fact that it is a human problem too, as a
perfunctory ritual, But you do not attempt to explain how it should be
dealt with, and by WHOM. Instead you try to devalue it by equating my
explanations about the Cown belt /Bollywood invasion of the NE
with my concerns about the human aspects of the B'deshi
migration.
That is your choice. But it demonstrates that all
you are interested in is
protecting the Indian carpet-baggers' interests in Assam,
while being oblivious of the poor migrants from B'desh, a far less
powerful or influentia! l group than the former.
c-da
*** Again, who an Assamese is is a FAKE question.
Yes, that could be a fake question. Maybe the question is
who else is trying to get into the Assamese bandwagon for ulterior
motives, and who is trying to include others into this group?
You seem to have
more of a soft corner for the B'deshi illegals than for the Bihari
thelawala -:) What gives C'da?
*** What is the reason
for your making this conclusion Ram? Can you explain?
I was trying to deduce -
m! aybe I am wrong, but you could clarify your statements
below:
there indeed is a
distinction between those ( of different ethnic identities) who are
indigenous peoples, and those who are in Assam as
carpetbaggers--to exploit it, but have never accepted it as a
home, regardless of how many
Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex? - marraige and life
some communitities in western india in north rajasthan had wife swapping tradition long ago --- but nothing on these lines. Incidently this I remember reading in a book on tribal culture of central india and heard about Nagaland's tradition - of some tribes from my father. UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Also that in certain tribal communities in Central and East India -at puberty the youth of opposite sex are sent to a closed house where they change partners atleast every three days- to avoid get into relationships etc. What is true in all these? *** I heard that was a practice among
west and northwest Indians. Is it true?At 4:41 PM + 2/18/06, umesh sharma wrote: I remember reading that among Eskimos and Tibetans - the tradition has been that a couple marries only after they have a child. I'm told Dalai Lamawas born before hisparents got married - following that tradition. Also that in certain tribal communities in Central and East India -at puberty the youth of opposite sex are sent to a closed house where they change partners atleast every three days- to avoid get into relationships etc. What is true in all these?Umesh"Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi C'da: Guwahati :-). You might find it interesting to learn that fully one third of the couples ( at least) of my small village co-habit without EVER getting married. They just live together. A! nd even highly developed counties Hori Bishtu, Hori Bishtu, C'da. Ki bhejal kotha eta kole` baaru, taate` akouei xobha-ghorot? Just because you weren't invited to the weddings does not mean that they were never married! All they did was that they went to the nearest Shiva-temple and offered tamul-paan to the priest to get the blessings to live like Horo-Gouri, probably,just didn't have enough to treat the whole village (including you)just for that occasion. :) From: Chan
Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Ram Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: ASSAMNET assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?Date: Fri, 17 Feb ! 2006 21:25:35 -0600blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li {padding-top:0;padding-bottom:0;} At 5:23 PM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da,*** Very slippery one this Ram--you are trying to rescue GoI again aren't you?No, not really - but if Assamese demand that of the GOI, wouldn't they have to know which group of people they are talking about, which group needs "protection" from the GOI so as not to become a minority in Assam.*** They
ought to. But WHO do you hear from? Is it the people? Or is it the rags feeding out of MHA hands and spewing RAW sewage, and the politicians?The other day you observed that Rs. 1,000 is no big deal -- if it were! to be levied as a fee for registering marriages. Shows how uninformed you are about Assam's realities. I don't blame you. You grew up at Guwahati :-). You might find it interesting to learn that fully one third of the couples ( at least) of my small village co-habit without EVER getting married. They just live together. And even highly developed counties with the best of civil institutions still recognize such unions -- as common-law couples. Because there are so many of them. (A case for protecting Assam from the unscrupulous Indians?)
*** Are you suggesting that it is NOT an issue? If it is not, will you care to explain WHY? I explained WHY it is so. You did not explain why you take issue with my explanation. If you are serious about understanding the issues you would have at least explained why you do not agree. But you chose merely! to re-iterate your own politically motivated and pre-conceived notions Ram. (Building a case why illegal immigration is important to Assam's economy - nay its survival?)*** Ditto the above again. You do not take a position on HOW you propose to resolve te problem, You do not fail to pay lip-service to the fact that it is a human problem too, as a perfunctory ritual, But you do not attempt to explain how it should be dealt with, and by WHOM. Instead you try to devalue it by equating my
explanations about the Cown belt /Bollywood invasion of the NE with my concerns about the human aspects of the B'deshi migration.That is your choice. But it demonstrates that all you are interested in is protecting the Indian carpet-baggers' interests in Assam, while being oblivious of the poor migrants from B'desh, a far less powerful or influentia! l group than the former. c-da *** Again, who an Assamese is is a FAKE question.Yes, that could be a fake question. Maybe the question is who else is trying to get into the Assamese bandwagon for ulterior motives, and who is trying to include
others into this group?You seem to have more of a soft corner for the B'deshi illegals than for the Bihari thelawala -:) What gives C'da?*** What is the reason for your making this conclusion Ram? Can you explain?I was trying to
