Hello,
this might be a bit cheeky, but if you don't ask
I've got the blockreport up and running and I have to say it is an excellent
addition to ASSP, thank you.
What I would like to do is see if people are using this feature before calling
me, without copying myself into every blockreport
I see that assp still does not have verification on dkim records
(similar to spf) (scoring/blocking). Is it comming anytime soon?
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ASSP does have it since 2 years. Switch to ASSP V2 which is the newest
version, you should also switch to the test mailing list
Assp-test mailing list
assp-t...@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/assp-test
For Users of ASSP assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net schreibt:
There should be a option to override spf neutrals (?all) for specified
domains (feature request).
Neutral should not used The domain owner has explicitly stated that
he cannot or does not want to assert whether or not the IP address is
Smap fighting has broken so may rfc I could not even count. Some of
these changes even created another rfc-s. Google and gmail breaks many
rfc-s in plain sight. So?
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(feature request) per recipient scoring settings.
My idea on this would be that assp would read directory
custom-rcpt-settings. In directory there could be files that matches
rcpt to (filesystem should be able to handle such characters, if not
then md5 od rcpt to). If
Strict SPF Processing Regex* (strictSPFRe,
default=@aol.com|@gmail.com|@msn.com|@live.com|@...)
_spf.google.com.300 IN TXT v=spf1
include:_netblocks.google.com ?all
gmail.com has spf record to ?all so it will never return fail od
soft-fail - only neutral or success.
In noDelayAddresses you can put trusted domains for non-grelisting.
However you should not trust domains but servers as letters can be
signed with any sender adres.
There is need for (another) option that would do what noDelayAddresses
does but ONLY if there is SPF PASS result. That way you can
Cross-posting to ass-user for user feedback please...
It can be used as a tactic to get nefarious files in email to take a exe, bat,
or others, zip it up, and send it. As far as I know, ASSP will scan the base64
parts of an email, or perhaps just look at the filename attachment part in the
: Re: [Assp-user] Feature request: white/not white report in spam
submission re
try 1.4.4 with option
Spam Report Check Whitelist (EmailSpamShowWhite)
If set Spam Report will additionally check if addresses are on the
Whitelist
Sorry to be a pest with all these requests. Are there compression perl
modules (zip, rar) that you could use to have the attachment blocker look
inside compressed files for bad attachments? We¹ve had an onslaught of .scr
files getting through inside zip¹s. I can always turn on attachment
Run ASSP 2.0, the feature is already implemented.
fritt
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Subject: Re: [Assp-user] Feature request: white/not white report in spam
submission re
try 1.4.4 with option
Spam Report Check Whitelist (EmailSpamShowWhite)
If set
: Fritz Borgstedt f...@iworld.de
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:15:10 +0100
To: Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Assp-user
Sorry to be a pest with all these requests. Are there compression perl
modules (zip, rar) that you could use to have the attachment blocker look
inside compressed files for bad attachments? We¹ve had an onslaught of .scr
files getting through inside zip¹s. I can always turn on attachment
Currently when an email is submitted to the whitelist email address, the
return report(if any) states what email addresses were in it and if they
were already on the whitelist, or just were whitelisted.
It would be nice to have the same type of thing when submitting to this is
spam¹, or whatever
Paul K. Dickson pdick...@fredco-md.net schreibt:
Thanks for the response. No. Below I have the response from a
whitelist submission. Notice your address. It would be nice if a
'thisisspam' submission showed the whitelisted/notwhitelisted status
of any addresses in the submission the same way
Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:42:21 +0100
To: Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] Feature request: white/not white report in spam
submission re
Paul K. Dickson
try 1.4.4 with option
Spam Report Check Whitelist (EmailSpamShowWhite)
If set Spam Report will additionally check if addresses are on the
Whitelist.
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Duplicate attachments are a big problem at my day job, but
other than attempting to train the end users to store the files on
the network, and working off these files (at least when they are
in the office), instead of emailing them back and forth, not much
else I can do about it.
well; I
GrayHat [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreibt:
On the other hand, attachment *blocking* imVHo is good to have
and isn't something from the past :) consider that recent malware
mutates quickly, so an AV may not be able to detect a new variant
of a given worm; this in turn means that blocking executable mail
IMHO it is VERY outdated.
not totally :)
I do not do it now for several years. I have NEVER experienced such a
scenario.
in a quite recent past there were waves of malware pumped out by
bots, the attachments were quite small and their signatures changed
from message to message and for a
On 12/3/2008 3:57 AM, Fritz Borgstedt wrote:
GrayHat [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreibt:
On the other hand, attachment *blocking* imVHo is good to have
and isn't something from the past :) consider that recent malware
mutates quickly, so an AV may not be able to detect a new variant
of a given worm;
On 12/3/2008 3:29 AM, GrayHat wrote:
well; I don't think that stripping attachments is a job for ASSP, all in
all such a feature has nothing to do with junk email filtering :)
Neither does IETF conversion... this is why I proposed it - since ASSP
is already doing more than junk mail filtering,
well; I don't think that stripping attachments is a job for ASSP, all
in
all such a feature has nothing to do with junk email filtering :)
Neither does IETF conversion... this is why I proposed it - since ASSP
is already doing more than junk mail filtering, *and* is the initial
point of
On 12/3/2008, GrayHat ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
what you call more than filtering is just a side effect of some
of the mechanisms used by ASSP to filter messages;
I disagree...
CONVERTING one file type to another is certainly NOT a normal function
of an anti-spam filter - and as for it being
But if the MTA is going to reject a message, that rejection should
occur
at SMTP time.
Exactly ! So, if you setup the MTA to refuse messages over a given size,
the MTA will emit an SMTP error and you'll have your reject; I can't see
where's the problem ! You aren't generating bounces, just
On 12/3/2008, GrayHat ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Exactly ! So, if you setup the MTA to refuse messages over a given size,
the MTA will emit an SMTP error and you'll have your reject; I can't see
where's the problem ! You aren't generating bounces, just rejecting the
message due to policy
Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net schreibt:
I'm NOT saying that attachment stripping 'belongs' here, I'm just
saying
that if it can do it reliably, then it is a viable candidate.
I think Fritz already said he wasn't interested in such a
I would *never* allow those through *any* mail system - but, to each
his/her own...
why not? Are you blocking your users from downloading .exe from the
internet too?
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I disagree; what you call more than filtering is just a side
effect
of some
of the mechanisms used by ASSP to filter messages; on the other hand,
stripping attachments or even blocking them by size isn't imVHo a job
for
ASSP, but for the backend MTA; all ASSP
Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net schreibt:
My comments re: ASSP being a viable candidate for the job of strpping
attachments stands...
The text on the assp 2 site says:.
NEW FEATURES
- email interface for add/remove spamlovers
-
GrayHat wrote:
well; I don't think that stripping attachments is a job for
ASSP, all in all such a feature has nothing to do with junk
email filtering :)
Just to add my 2 cents worth. I disagree. I use attachment stripping
in my environment. My firewall currently does it by way of proxy.
On 12/3/2008 6:41 AM, Fritz Borgstedt wrote:
I would *never* allow those through *any* mail system - but, to each
his/her own...
why not? Are you blocking your users from downloading .exe from the
internet too?
Yep... only admins can do that.
In my opinion, in a corporate environment, end
On 12/3/2008, Hill, Brett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
If you're talking about stripping off attachments for emails with
viruses or malware, why would you want to give your users access to that
content? Sounds pretty daring if you ask me.
sigh thats not what I mean.
Of *course* this
I'm not advocating any one product or another here, and can't really
speak for other mail server products, but when you say
about 80%+ - of storage is from DUPLICATE large attachments.
In Exchange, the message store only contains one copy of an identical
file and that single copy in the
: [Assp-user] Feature Request: Attachment stripping - WAS:
Re:Random problem
To: 'Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy'
assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Saturday, 29 November, 2008, 8:36 PM
5000 *40 MB is actually 200 GB which is nothing at
todays hard disk
Yeah !
I'll have to agree with Joseph.
Somewhere , somehow, people have lost the meaning with
e-mail handling.
Quite amazing. Obviously you are in the business of educating your
users. That is not my business.
I sell them a service and do everything, they feel good. Hardware is
cheap and it is
Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net schreibt:
Good cripes, do clients pull their mail locally or is it stored
centrally?
5000 * 40Mb * {however many they have} = Lots of space :)
5000 *40 MB is actually 200 GB which is nothing at todays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreibt:
That sounds very familiar. Sort of like the shared mail
functionality
of Domino/Notes. Wow, I can't believe I just recommended someone
look
at Notes. :)
FirstClass is doing the same.
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From: Fritz Borgstedt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] Feature Request: Attachment stripping - WAS:
Re:Random problem
My users are allowed to receive messages up to 40MB.
^^
What kind of lines do you people have
5000 *40 MB is actually 200 GB which is nothing at todays hard disk
prices.
Except if they have *many* attachments that big;)
Our users have a standard mailbox capacity of 200 MB, they can pay to
have it expanded to 500 MB, 1 GB or unlimited.
That adds some sanity I guess.
This is at least
On 11/28/2008 Donald Brooks wrote:
I've blocked a few filetypes in ASSP, specifically wmv because I have
a few users who were being sent ridiculous amounts of them.
You know, I've been thinking about this a lot...
Since ASSP has now opened the door to this kind of 'added'
functionality, I
Since ASSP has now opened the door to this kind of 'added'
functionality, I would absolutely *love* to see it have the ability
to
strip off attachments (over a specified size), dump them in a
specified
directory, and prepend a block of text to the top (or bottom -
configurable?) informing the
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From: Fritz Borgstedt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 novembre 2008 13:26
To: Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] Feature Request: Attachment stripping - WAS:
Re:Random problem w
Since ASSP has now opened the door to this kind of 'added
On 11/28/2008 Fritz Borgstedt wrote:
Those attachment blocking features are from stoneage. They are not
necessary anymore.
Everybody should allow their users receive attachments freely.
The problem is, in any environment with more than a few users - ours,
for example - and deals with lots of
Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
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Blocking attachment over a specified size is still necessary
why?
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Subject: Re: [Assp-user] Feature Request: Attachment stripping - WAS:
Re:Random problem
Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
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Blocking attachment over a specified size is still necessary
why
On 11/28/2008 Maxime Frenette wrote:
Mail server aren't dealing nicely with big files. They take a lot of
processing time too. Your not limiting e-mail over 10 megs or 15 megs
?
Are you ?
Because of the nature of our business, we (must) deal with lots of large
attachments... the max size of
store is linked to all local
addresses that were CC'd, and copies that were forwarded.
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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 1:57 PM
To: Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] Feature
Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net schreibt:
Mail server aren't dealing nicely with big files. They take a lot of
processing time too. Your not limiting e-mail over 10 megs or 15 megs
?
Are you ?
My users are allowed to receive messages
Donald Brooks wrote:
I'm not advocating any one product or another here, and can't really
speak for other mail server products, but when you say
about 80%+ - of storage is from DUPLICATE large attachments.
In Exchange, the message store only contains one copy of an identical
file and that
Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net schreibt:
Since ASSP 2.0 now can make use of DB backends, storing and searching
hashes of these large files should be very doable...
fine, looking forward to see it.
My users are allowed to receive messages up to 40MB.
What's your user base?
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Good cripes, do clients pull their mail locally or is it stored centrally?
5000 * 40Mb * {however many they have} = Lots of space :)
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Charles Marcus wrote:
On 11/28/2008 Fritz Borgstedt wrote:
Those attachment blocking features are from stoneage. They are not
necessary anymore.
Everybody should allow their users receive attachments freely.
The problem is, in any environment with more than a few users - ours,
snip
Would it be possible to add a | after the second value in
each information triplet to make parsing easier?
So
ID | first value | second value ID | first value | second
value ID | first value | second value becomes ID | first
value | second value | ID | first value | second value |
Hello developers,
Here is a snippet of the output from port 3 of my ASSP server (ASSP
Version: 1.3.5(14.21))
snip
ASSP Proxy Uptime | 16.988 days| 1427.662 days Messages Processed |
13193 (776.6 per day) | 874488 (612.5 per day) Non-Local Mail Blocked |
50.9% | 48.4% CPU Usage | 0.01% (5.60%
Hello,
try (23)
it is not working. The domain is still rewritten. But I think I
didn't explain my problem exactly:
I need to exclude a domain from being rewritten by SRS - not to
exclude it from a SRS test.
Greetings
Matti
Hello,
I need to exclude one single domain which I relay mail
for from SRS.
Could this be implemented? Or is it already possible?
Matti
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Could this be implemented? Or is it already possible?
try (23)
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GrayHat wrote:
I don't know how many here use the ASSP
infected email report feature, I do (at least
on some servers) now, from time to time it
may be interesting having the full original
email message headers in such reports
this may be useful to find out the path of
the message and the
I don't know how many here use the ASSP
infected email report feature, I do (at least
on some servers) now, from time to time it
may be interesting having the full original
email message headers in such reports
this may be useful to find out the path of
the message and the originating machine
TIA
As I switched to single message scoring, it would be great to have the
spam score in a format that is easyly to filter in mail client.
Spamassasin uses besides the spam score an additional graphical spam
tag:
X-Spam-Level: **
Assp could add a * for every 10 (or configurable) Spam-Score-Points
I'm familiar with this implementation from SpamAssassin. I'm not seeing
it's utility, however. How is it different from using TotalScore to
filter messages? How is maybe spam/spam different from the Low/High
Threshold settings?
What do you find lacking in the current options?
Matti Haack
I'm not using the Validate Local Addresses feature - because I didn't want
to block valid messages to users with mistyped addresses. (We have two
employees with French names, and it's amazing how often senders get it
wrong).
Unfortunately, upgrading to Exchange 2007 caused us to lose the
I know I have requested this before, but I don't think I got a response.
Is there anyway the email interface option to apply whitelisted mail also the
'notspam' and 'thisisspam' to remove from whitelist can be made more vestal?
Our managers, commissioners, and particularly my CIO really get
Is there any possibility of changing that options checkbox to a
numeric option? such as
the change is different, but the options are now there in the newest
built.
I am thinking of expanding the option. that nothing can be added to
whitelist if on redlist
to: nothing can be added/removed to
]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fritz
Borgstedt
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:13 PM
To: Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] Feature request.
Is there any possibility of changing that options checkbox to a
numeric option? such as
the change
I have often wished that was there, for regex's like paypal\.com.
Sounds great to me!
But paypal.com is a good example for keeping it off the whitelist.
This is working today (I guess nobody is using it besides me))).
And it is automatic.
That is what I meant:)
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fritz
Borgstedt
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:51 PM
To: Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] Feature request.
I have often wished
Hi.
Here's an idea for a feature I know at least I would find extremely useful.
I'm guessing I'm not the only one running ASSP in front of several other
mail servers and I would love it if there was a way for me to add more
listening ports which all are linked to separate smtp auth destinations
So if I understand this thread correctly, the discussion is as follows:
1) ASSP is installed on a server which connects either Internet-LAN or
Internet-DMZ
2) We want to give an application on this server the ability to execute
remote commands based on (hopefully) sanitized input directly from
Simply put the idea is about:
- telling ASSP to forward (proxy) incoming E-Mails to certain named
recipients to a different IP address and/or port
In a second step these sorted out E-Mails could then be used for whatever
purpose one sees fit. In my case they would trigger a program that starts
Patrick Neill wrote:
- telling ASSP to forward (proxy) incoming E-Mails to certain named
recipients to a different IP address and/or port
In a second step these sorted out E-Mails could then be used for whatever
purpose one sees fit. In my case they would trigger a program that starts a
PC.
Simply put the idea is about:
- telling ASSP to forward (proxy) incoming E-Mails to certain named
recipients to a different IP address and/or port
You already understood, that ASSP is working as a synchronous proxy.
It immediately connects a sender to the server. To do what you want,
we
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Neill
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:27 PM
To: assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] Feature Request - Remote Command Execution
Simply put the idea is about:
- telling ASSP to forward
ASSP could also Forward to these Recipients always,
what exactly should this option do?
fritz
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Subject: Re: [Assp-user] Feature Request - Remote Command Execution
The SMTP Server option (Mercury Mail) is what I am using right now.
However I am forced
Fritz, that would forward any e-mails to a set of defined addresses to a
mailserver other than the main mailserver.
What is this good for?
- normal e-mail would continue to pass through ASSP to the main mailserver
(Exchange in my case)
- e-mail to special addresses (like [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net schreibt:
What is this good for?
- normal e-mail would continue to pass through ASSP to the main
mailserver
(Exchange in my case)
- e-mail to special addresses (like [EMAIL PROTECTED]) would go
to my
I would suggest that you could do this by using a program to scan the
ASSP maillog file looking for the right keyword. You would need to
capture the date/time for the log entry and compare that against when
the last WOL email was received to ensure that the request isn't old.
That may be an
Ok, this may not be directly related to killing Spam, but nevertheless useful
on a proxy.
One of my current mailservers (Mercury Mail) allows me to execute a command
(batch file) if an e-mail is sent to a specific address. I use this for Wake
on Lan. Say I want to turn on my PC at the office
Patrick Neill wrote:
Ok, this may not be directly related to killing Spam, but nevertheless useful
on a proxy.
One of my current mailservers (Mercury Mail) allows me to execute a command
(batch file) if an e-mail is sent to a specific address. I use this for Wake
on Lan. Say I want to turn
I would like to throw out a feature request - which sounds (based on my
little knowledge) like and easy fix/implementation.
Users like me have all inbound mail route through an ISP. This adds one
received line to the top of the header file.
The problem is, that this line makes it impossible to
Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net schreibt:
The problem is, that this line makes it impossible to use the great
RTBL
feature. How about adding a pre-processing option to strip the first
received line?
That would do nothing to enable this
Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net schreibt:
Users like me have all inbound mail route through an ISP. This adds
one
received line to the top of the header file.
One line? You are sure? ISPs like myself may add some hops between
receiving
Michelle Dupuis wrote:
I would like to throw out a feature request - which sounds (based on my
little knowledge) like and easy fix/implementation.
Users like me have all inbound mail route through an ISP. This adds one
received line to the top of the header file.
The problem is, that
?
MD
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 12:42 PM
To: Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] Feature request: Strip first received line of
header
Michelle Dupuis
A lot of companies are using 3rd part services as a backup MX
(queuing) for
disaster recovery etc; so mail is routed through that ISP.
Yeah, but it is waste. And completely unnessary.
-
Using Tomcat but need to do more?
Michelle Dupuis wrote:
A lot of companies are using 3rd part services as a backup MX (queuing) for
disaster recovery etc; so mail is routed through that ISP.
You're right about stripping off the first received line can be handled
differently - perhaps the RTBL processing can match all IP
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From: Doug Traylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] Feature request: Strip first received line of
header
use it because the project is ~dead and hasn't had any updates in almost a
year, but the forums are still
On 12/6/2006 Eric B. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
The default settings are rather lack-lustre at best, and didn't help
me learn much. Fritz's examples, however, helped me enormously. I
know that had there been more examples I could look at/learn from, I
know it could only be more beneficial.
My
Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net schreibt:
My understanding is that Fritz, for the most part, uses the default
settings - in other words, the defaults he sets are the ones that he
uses himself...
Yes, I do, and if not, the default is
Fritz Borgstedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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My understanding is that Fritz, for the most part, uses the default
settings - in other words, the defaults he sets are the ones that he
uses himself...
Yes, I do, and if not, the default is chosen that the system should
I'm very happy with my ASSP implementation, Fritz. Thank you for all
your hard work.
What I was suggesting would be for new customers, ie. New users of
ASSP. I was thinking it might assist in adoption.
As an ASSP user, I know my preferences and settings would be very
different than yours so
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The Wiki is what people make of it. If you see something that should be
there, put it there, or talk about it on a discussion tab. Talking
about the Wiki /here/gets nothing done /on/ the Wiki.
Very valid point.
Perhaps until the Wiki is fully
populated with all the old information, that we should remove that
disclaimer in the old site and say that it is incomplete, referring
people
to the Wiki for updated documentation instead of saying that it is
outdated.
Similarly, the Wiki should possibly point back
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