Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-21 Thread Doug Lytle
Doug Lytle wrote: Doug Lytle wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I put a Tellabs 64ms echo canceller into my facility this weekend and am praying that it removes are echo problem. If it does, I plan on making it a standard on my Asterisk installs that have a channel bank or T1. Well, the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-21 Thread Rich Adamson
I put a Tellabs 64ms echo canceller into my facility this weekend and am praying that it removes are echo problem. If it does, I plan on making it a standard on my Asterisk installs that have a channel bank or T1. Well, the day is almost over here and not one echo reported

RE: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-08 Thread David Yat Sin
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-07 Thread Doug Lytle
Richard Amerman wrote: Doug, Can you provide any information on how you deployed that card into your setup? If it works for you we could put up a page on voip-info.org Richard I currently have 13 incoming analog centrex lines plugged into an Adit 600 Channel bank. The

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-07 Thread Rich Adamson
More than that, in their fine print some only claim to pass maybe two or three of the tests. There is nothing that defines what you must achieve before you can claim G.168-2002 compliance. Well, isn't that just wonderful :-) Standards are amazing things, from a marketing perspective

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-07 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
Rich Adamson wrote: More than that, in their fine print some only claim to pass maybe two or three of the tests. There is nothing that defines what you must achieve before you can claim G.168-2002 compliance. Well, isn't that just wonderful :-) Standards are amazing things, from a

RE: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-07 Thread David Stude
06, 2006 5:46 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel virtually all software echo cancelers cannot get double echo removed completly. It can get the first one but not the second one. There are instances where you get

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-07 Thread C F
I had bad echo as well using the Te406 card. Swapped the card, swapped the box, nothing helped, until I got a Tellabs 2572 echo canceler, and echo is now gone. On 2/6/06, Doug Lytle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Lytle wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I put a Tellabs 64ms echo canceller

RE : [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-07 Thread f6hqz-m
, Francois BERGERET, France. -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de David Stude Envoyé : mardi 7 février 2006 17:09 À : 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Objet : RE: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel I've used Voicetronix

[Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hi, How good or bad is the EC in Asterisk? Can anyone prove that it works at all and what it's limitations are? I ask cause I have some problems with this myself which variate from call to call, and I see from others that Echo Cancel is a quite common topic. Jan

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 10:49 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, How good or bad is the EC in Asterisk? Can anyone prove that it works at all and what it's limitations are? I ask cause I have some problems with this myself which variate from call to call, and I see from others that Echo

RE: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Steve Totaro
hi, How good or bad is the EC in Asterisk? Can anyone prove that it works at all and what it's limitations are? I ask cause I have some problems with this myself which variate from call to call, and I see from others that Echo Cancel is a quite common topic. Jan I have

RE: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread James Harper
virtually all software echo cancelers cannot get double echo removed completly. It can get the first one but not the second one. There are instances where you get a 2nd echo, so ... Asterisk is no exception from this afaik nothing software only based is. If you really want good echo

RE: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 21:46 +1100, James Harper wrote: Just an enquiring mind wanting to know, but how is a hardware solution different to a software solution? The echo cancellers in the Digium hardware presumably just use the same sort of algorithms as the software versions, so it is just

SV: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread jan.sarin
Till: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Ämne: RE: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel virtually all software echo cancelers cannot get double echo removed completly. It can get the first one but not the second one. There are instances where you get a 2nd echo, so

RE: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread asterisk
On Mon, 6 Feb 2006, trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: Again, I know Sangoma is a sore subject with some on this list, but the echo cancelation stuff I heard while presented by a Sangoma employee was not Sangoma specific, although it did include some research into different hardware/software based

RE: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 04:01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 6 Feb 2006, trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: Again, I know Sangoma is a sore subject with some on this list, but the echo cancelation stuff I heard while presented by a Sangoma employee was not Sangoma specific, although it

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Doug Lytle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 6 Feb 2006, trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: Again, I know Sangoma is a sore subject with some on this list, but the echo cancelation stuff I heard while presented by a Sangoma employee was not Sangoma specific, although it did include some research into

Re: SV: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Jerry Jones
On Feb 6, 2006, at 5:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im curious. Does anyone have experienced echo-problems that later where solved by buying a hardware-echo canceller such as the Wildcard TE411P? Yes. I turned off all echo can on the wildcards and bought external.

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Krystian Filiks
Did you test the echo delay? will 64ms be suffitient? You can easily test the delay by recording the transmit and receive path to a sound file and using some sound editing software see how big the delay is. That is how I did it when I worked for a Telco in Switzerland on theis TDM switch they

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Steve Underwood
James Harper wrote: virtually all software echo cancelers cannot get double echo removed completly. It can get the first one but not the second one. There are instances where you get a 2nd echo, so ... Asterisk is no exception from this afaik nothing software only based is. If you

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Doug Lytle
Krystian Filiks wrote: Did you test the echo delay? will 64ms be suffitient? You can easily test the delay by recording the transmit and receive path to a sound file and using some sound editing software see how big the delay is. That is how I did it when I worked for a Telco in Switzerland

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Krystian Filiks
Doug Lytle wrote: Krystian Filiks wrote: Did you test the echo delay? will 64ms be suffitient? You can easily test the delay by recording the transmit and receive path to a sound file and using some sound editing software see how big the delay is. That is how I did it when I worked for a

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Doug Lytle
Krystian Filiks wrote: If they could hear their own voices than I would not invest in echo cancelling and for this is the far end responcible so I would take contact with the service suppliers and ask them if echo canceling is included. These are standard analog (Centrex) lines. Echo

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Matt
Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel James Harper wrote: virtually all software echo cancelers cannot get double echo removed completly. It can get the first one but not the second one

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Eric \ManxPower\ Wieling
James Harper wrote: Just an enquiring mind wanting to know, but how is a hardware solution different to a software solution? The echo cancellers in the Digium hardware presumably just use the same sort of algorithms as the software versions, so it is just that they are dedicated and perform

Re: SV: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Chris Earle \(CBL\)
, Chris Earle System Solutions Specialist - Original Message - From: Jerry Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:19 AM Subject: Re: SV: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Doug Lytle
Doug Lytle wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I put a Tellabs 64ms echo canceller into my facility this weekend and am praying that it removes are echo problem. If it does, I plan on making it a standard on my Asterisk installs that have a channel bank or T1. Well, the day is almost over

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
For the record, I've done a couple of Asterisk installs, and HATED echo -- or feebly attempting to get Asterisk's flakey software algorithms to do anything about it. Finally got sick 'n tired, and threw money at it -- got the Sangoma quad-span T1 card. And echo freaking VANISHED. (Note that,

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: They use the G.168-2002 algorithm; I, personally, had never heard of it before, but I bounced it off a friend of mine (he's a hardware architect for a major VoIP switch manufacturer -- they sell to places like Time Warner), and he was of the opinion that G.168 is the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Steve Underwood
Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: For the record, I've done a couple of Asterisk installs, and HATED echo -- or feebly attempting to get Asterisk's flakey software algorithms to do anything about it. Finally got sick 'n tired, and threw money at it -- got the Sangoma quad-span T1 card. And echo freaking

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Steve Underwood
Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: They use the G.168-2002 algorithm; I, personally, had never heard of it before, but I bounced it off a friend of mine (he's a hardware architect for a major VoIP switch manufacturer -- they sell to places like Time Warner), and he was of the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Steve Underwood wrote: More than that, in their fine print some only claim to pass maybe two or three of the tests. There is nothing that defines what you must achieve before you can claim G.168-2002 compliance. Well, isn't that just wonderful :-) Standards are amazing things, from a

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread Richard Amerman
Doug, Can you provide any information on how you deployed that card into your setup? If it works for you we could put up a page on voip-info.org Richard On 2/6/06, Doug Lytle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 6 Feb 2006, trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: Again, I know

Re: [Asterisk-Users] BAD/GOOD Echo Cancel

2006-02-06 Thread asterisk
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Steve Underwood wrote: More than that, in their fine print some only claim to pass maybe two or three of the tests. There is nothing that defines what you must achieve before you can claim G.168-2002 compliance. So what echo canceller do you recommend to purchase? -Dan