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The other thing that I think many are missing
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 06:50:54PM -0300, Doug Meredith wrote:
Dinesh Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
too much divergence and we have two pieces of software competing for each
other.
My guess is that if they succeed, they will diverge significantly.
We will have two pieces of software that
Mike M wrote:
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 06:50:54PM -0300, Doug Meredith wrote:
Dinesh Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
too much divergence and we have two pieces of software competing for each
other.
My guess is that if they succeed, they will diverge significantly.
We will
snacktime wrote:
permit to be used for their contributions.. They won't be happy unless
everyone else does things their way. They wouldn't be happy if asterisk
was BSD or MIT licensed either.
No that's not true. I myself would be perfectly happy with an MPL.
However, because Asterisk is
On 10/9/05, Florian Overkamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snacktime wrote: permit to be used for their contributions..They won't be happy unless everyone else does things their way.They wouldn't be happy if asterisk was BSD or MIT licensed either.
No that's not true. I myself would be perfectly happy
I am astounded by the total lack of integrity people have displayed here.
Digium gave you Asterisk, and yet you turn around and stab them in the back.
As this is the Asterisk Users mailing list and this product will cease to be
Asterisk the moment it is forked, I don't really want to see any more
Interesting. In their meeting minutes
(http://wiki.openpbx.org/tiki-index.php?page=Meeting+Minutes+10-5-2005)
I see that a BKW was elected to the board. Is this Brian West?
LOL!!! And the truth comes out. Children throwing their toys because they
don't have enough power...
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Tony Mountifield wrote:
Yes, it looks like the main people behind it are bkw, anthm and moc.
They will be a great loss to the Asterisk community if they go off and
only do their own thing.
I'm not sure I agree with that. If your friend stabs you in the back, is it
really a great loss if they
Matt Riddell a écrit :
Tony Mountifield wrote:
Yes, it looks like the main people behind it are bkw, anthm and moc.
They will be a great loss to the Asterisk community if they go off and
only do their own thing.
I'm not sure I agree with that. If your friend stabs you in the back,
*PLONK*
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*PLONK*
I was only stating the obvious... sorry you don't like it.
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On Sun, October 9, 2005 15:31, Matt Riddell said:
*PLONK*
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Is that the sound of you dropping out of this list? It can't be a reply to
the previous poster's e-mail, as that was in fact a completely correct
statement...
But back to the topic: I can see the reasons why
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Matt Riddell a écrit :
*PLONK*
I was only stating the obvious... sorry you don't
Matt Riddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am astounded by the total lack of integrity people have displayed here.
Isn't that a bit over the top? If you have a license that permits you
to do something, and then you do it, what is the issue?
Doug
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On Sunday 09 October 2005 09:08, Matt Riddell wrote:
Digium gave you Asterisk, and yet you turn around and stab them in the
back. As this is the Asterisk Users mailing list and this product will
cease to be Asterisk the moment it is forked, I don't really want to see
any more spamming from the
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:
Actually Digium gave the core of Asterisk. There is a *lot* of code in there
that didn't come FROM Digium, but rather that Digium has incorporated and
made a part of Asterisk.
Of course!! Well understood and agreed.
Further, I think the *vast* majority of the
On Sunday 09 October 2005 11:36, Matt Riddell wrote:
[ issues with Asterisk development ]
But why couldn't it have been brought into the public forum and discussed?
It has been. Over, and Over, and Over again. On here, on -dev and on IRC.
Many times.
[openpbx design changes]
Hmmm I don't
Tony Mountifield wrote:
Yes, it looks like the main people behind it are bkw, anthm and moc.
They will be a great loss to the Asterisk community if they go off and
only do their own thing.
I'm not sure I agree with that. If your friend stabs you in the back, is
it
really a great loss
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 10:43:28PM -0400, Paul wrote:
Steve Underwood wrote:
It's not harder. It's just different. A number of things have similar
requirements. The ISDN4Linux folk have certain versions of their
software approved by the telecoms bodies in Europe. They need to tie
down
Mike M wrote:
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 10:43:28PM -0400, Paul wrote:
Steve Underwood wrote:
It's not harder. It's just different. A number of things have similar
requirements. The ISDN4Linux folk have certain versions of their
software approved by the telecoms bodies in Europe. They
On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 01:51:41PM -0400, Paul wrote:
Mike M wrote:
Mike, the context was regarding security by obscurity. It has nothing to
do with stealing a product to sell to others. The only reverse
engineering I ever did had nothing at all to do with bootlegging or
counterfeiting
Mike M wrote:
On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 01:51:41PM -0400, Paul wrote:
Mike M wrote:
Mike, the context was regarding security by obscurity. It has nothing to
do with stealing a product to sell to others. The only reverse
engineering I ever did had nothing at all to do with bootlegging
I don't know, after looking at their roadmap I don't get it. It
must be the asterisk commit policies that are driving this. They
have some good ideas, but they are going about this the wrong way if
their goal is to create a successful fork of asterisk.
Chris
On 8 Oct 2005, at 09:49, snacktime wrote:
I don't know, after looking at their roadmap I don't get it. It
must be the asterisk commit policies that are driving this. They
have some good ideas, but they are going about this the wrong way
if their goal is to create a successful fork of
Mike M wrote:
On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 09:45:53PM -0400, Paul wrote:
Also consider that there are situations where 100% open source is never
allowed. Check out visa/mastercard processor certification for a good
example. Digium dual licensing availability means I could actually stand
a
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 07:41:48AM -0400, Paul wrote:
Credit card processing would be a good example. You could design *-based
systems for both the client(merchant) and server(processor) functions
but last I knew visa/mc would not certify open source solutions.
Note that you can use
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 07:41:48AM -0400, Paul wrote:
Credit card processing would be a good example. You could design *-based
systems for both the client(merchant) and server(processor) functions
but last I knew visa/mc would not certify open source solutions.
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 09:20:07AM -0400, Paul wrote:
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 07:41:48AM -0400, Paul wrote:
Credit card processing would be a good example. You could design *-based
systems for both the client(merchant) and server(processor) functions
but last I
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 09:20:07AM -0400, Paul wrote:
I find that amusing. I have a lot of experience with disassembly. I have
even reverse-engineered machine language code that ran on custom
processors which means you have to reverse-engineer the instruction set
as part of the task.
I
On Friday 07 October 2005 19:10, Troy Settle wrote:
Nice smartass remark... of course anyone can register a domain name.
Is forking asterisk legal? Of course it is! Asterisk is under the GPL,
which means that anyone can fork it at any time for any reason.
Look at this in a positive
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 11:59:04AM -0400, Mike M wrote:
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 09:20:07AM -0400, Paul wrote:
Closed source might delay the cracker but it also delays pre-crack and
post-crack countermeasures.
What's the alternative? Open source? Cracking is unnecessary with open
Nice smartass remark... of course anyone can register a domain name.
Is forking asterisk legal? Of course it is! Asterisk is under the GPL,
which means that anyone can fork it at any time for any reason.
Look at this in a positive light... many open source projects have
forked,
Nice smartass remark... of course anyone can register a domain name.
Is forking asterisk legal? Of course it is! Asterisk is under the
GPL,
which means that anyone can fork it at any time for any reason.
Look at this in a positive light... many open source projects have
Rich Adamson wrote:
I'm certainly not an expert on this topic, but if OpenPBX stays with
GPL, it would appear that asterisk could use any piece developed under
OpenPBX (unless someone there puts restrictions on individual pieces).
No, since Asterisk requires that copyright be assigned to
Rich Adamson wrote:
I'm certainly not an expert on this topic, but if OpenPBX stays with
GPL, it would appear that asterisk could use any piece developed under
OpenPBX (unless someone there puts restrictions on individual pieces).
Only if the copyright holder(s) of that code choose to
Tony Hoyle wrote:
No, since Asterisk requires that copyright be assigned to Digium for all
patches. Submitters to OpenPBX may be unwilling to do this, especially
since that's one of the main reasons for its existance...
Please stop spreading misinformation. We have addressed this at least
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 08:43:07PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 11:59:04AM -0400, Mike M wrote:
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 09:20:07AM -0400, Paul wrote:
Closed source might delay the cracker but it also delays pre-crack and
post-crack countermeasures.
What's the
On 10/8/05, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike M wrote:On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 09:45:53PM -0400, Paul wrote:Also consider that there are situations where 100% open source is neverallowed. Check out visa/mastercard processor certification for a good
example. Digium dual licensing availability means
On 10/8/05, Kevin P. Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tony Hoyle wrote: No, since Asterisk requires that copyright be assigned to Digium for all patches. Submitters to OpenPBX may be unwilling to do this, especially since that's one of the main reasons for its existance...
Please stop spreading
snacktime wrote:
Being that Digium wants to be able to sell a commercial version, I don't
see how they could have been more accomodating then this. Digium can
They could just use the GPL as is, since they chose the license in the
first place.. they clearly have no issues with it.
They
On 10/07/05 23:28 Jon Pounder said the following:
There are people out there who wish to contribute, and not have their work
lost on an individual project website since they do not choose to accept
digium's terms to contribute to asterisk. This gives them an opportunity
to do so, and have
On 10/8/05, Tony Hoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snacktime wrote: Being that Digium wants to be able to sell a commercial version, I don't see how they could have been more accomodating then this. Digium canThey could just use the GPL as is, since they chose the license in the
first place.. they
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 08:41:00PM +0100, Tony Hoyle wrote:
TBH I'd rather digium had chosen something like BSD to start with and
avoided all the GPL politics but the situation we have is the one we have.
But then you wouldn't have to pay them if you wanted your own propritary
fork. Not to
On 10/09/05 02:46 Rich Adamson said the following:
I'm certainly not an expert on this topic, but if OpenPBX stays with
GPL, it would appear that asterisk could use any piece developed under
OpenPBX (unless someone there puts restrictions on individual pieces).
asterisk could, but i doubt
On 10/09/05 02:46 Rich Adamson said the following:
I'm certainly not an expert on this topic, but if OpenPBX stays with
GPL, it would appear that asterisk could use any piece developed under
OpenPBX (unless someone there puts restrictions on individual pieces).
if it's a fork of asterisk, it
Steve Kennedy wrote:
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 08:43:07PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 11:59:04AM -0400, Mike M wrote:
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 09:20:07AM -0400, Paul wrote:
Closed source might delay the cracker but it also delays pre-crack and
post-crack
Steve Underwood wrote:
Steve Kennedy wrote:
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 08:43:07PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 11:59:04AM -0400, Mike M wrote:
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 09:20:07AM -0400, Paul wrote:
Closed source might delay the cracker but it also delays
harry gaillac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do you think of this project www.openpbx.org ?
Something like ser and openser !
Interesting. In their meeting minutes
(http://wiki.openpbx.org/tiki-index.php?page=Meeting+Minutes+10-5-2005)
I see that a BKW was elected to the board. Is this Brian
Further info. The domain is registered to Marc Olivier Chouinard. He
has posted in the dev list.
Doug
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Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Re: www.openpbx.org
Further info. The domain is registered to Marc Olivier Chouinard. He
has posted in the dev list.
Doug
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gincantalupo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
why a fork???
I don't know any of the people involved, or what their motivation
might be, but I will make a guess:
Digium's model tends to stifle innovation. Look at eclipse.org for a
much better model. Eclipse is truly open source. IBM's commercial
On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 10:51:45AM -0400, Brian C. Fertig wrote:
Can they do this? Is this legal?
Google fork open source.
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Further info. The domain is registered to Marc Olivier Chouinard. He
has posted in the dev list.
Doug
Of Doug
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Further info. The domain is registered to Marc Olivier Chouinard. He
has posted in the dev list.
Doug
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Brian C. Fertig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Further info. The domain is registered to Marc Olivier Chouinard. He
has posted in the dev list.
Can they do this? Is this legal?
Yes - anyone can register a domain name.
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Jon Pounder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are people out there who wish to contribute, and not have their work
lost on an individual project website since they do not choose to accept
digium's terms to contribute to asterisk. This gives them an opportunity
to do so, and have their work
, 2005 11:57 AM
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Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: www.openpbx.org
Brian C. Fertig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Further info. The domain is registered to Marc Olivier Chouinard.
He
has posted in the dev list.
Can they do
Nice smartass remark... of course anyone can register a domain name.
Is forking asterisk legal? Of course it is! Asterisk is under the GPL,
which means that anyone can fork it at any time for any reason.
Look at this in a positive light... many open source projects have
forked, and the
On Friday 07 October 2005 11:28, Jon Pounder wrote:
contributors more choice. As long as the two streams stay compatible
(which they likely will) it should be better for everyone.
Don't count on it, the rumblings in the IRC channel sound like it will be
totally INcompatible except to pass
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Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: www.openpbx.org
Brian C. Fertig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Further info. The domain is registered to Marc Olivier Chouinard.
He
has posted in the dev list.
Can they do this? Is this legal?
Yes - anyone
On Friday 07 October 2005 11:28, Jon Pounder wrote:
contributors more choice. As long as the two streams stay compatible
(which they likely will) it should be better for everyone.
Don't count on it, the rumblings in the IRC channel sound like it will be
totally INcompatible except to pass
forking and forking is a form of evolution.
YC
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Further info. The domain is registered to Marc Olivier
Chouinard.
He has posted in the dev
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Doug Meredith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Further info. The domain is registered to Marc Olivier Chouinard. He
has posted in the dev list.
Yes, it looks like the main people behind it are bkw, anthm and moc.
They will be a great loss to the Asterisk community if
IMO, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a fork. In fact, were I
someone with some seroius coding skills and/or the resources to make
it happen, I'd have forked the damned thing 2 years ago, and likely
would have been able to migrate it over to a true OSS license (BSD) by
now.
Tss, tss.
How can they be a great loss if their ideas and work never made it into the
codebase?
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Jean-Michel Hiver wrote:
IMO, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a fork. In fact, were I
someone with some seroius coding skills and/or the resources to make
it happen, I'd have forked the damned thing 2 years ago, and likely
would have been able to migrate it over to a true OSS license
, October 07, 2005 12:04 PM
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Re: www.openpbx.org
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Doug Meredith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Further info. The domain is registered to Marc Olivier Chouinard. He
has posted in the dev list.
Yes, it looks
On Friday 07 October 2005 15:24, Troy Settle wrote:
Licence changes can be made... look at Cistron Radius. They started
with Livingston's code, which was under the BSD license. Once their
code had been completely rewritten, they did an audit and found that
they were no longer using the
Doug Meredith wrote:
gincantalupo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
why a fork???
I don't know any of the people involved, or what their motivation
might be, but I will make a guess:
Digium's model tends to stifle innovation. Look at eclipse.org for a
much better model. Eclipse is truly
On 7-Oct-05, at 9:45 PM, Paul wrote:
The thing to remember is that the digium folks are not going to
spend months slaving over a new hardware product and then put the
device driver source under a closed license only. The gpl code can
be used in an asterisk fork like openpbx or in
On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 09:45:53PM -0400, Paul wrote:
Doug Meredith wrote:
Also consider that there are situations where 100% open source is never
allowed. Check out visa/mastercard processor certification for a good
example. Digium dual licensing availability means I could actually stand
Jonathan k. Creasy wrote:
It doesn't look like they have any goals yet...
Goals:
The goal of the project is to produce a free Software PBX that will be
highly robust and stable, featureful, and easy to use and deploy. We will
build a positive forward-thinking community around OpenPBX.org
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