Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
Oh, yes, asterisk is in universe, but i prefer apt-get build-dep asterisk And then compile from current source, not the package in universe -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Tzafrir Cohen Enviado el: Sábado, 02 de Febrero de 2008 06:17 p.m. Para: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Asunto: Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora? On Sat, Feb 02, 2008 at 05:13:39PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ubuntu server for me please simply, is better... install. then activate universe and multiverse repositories sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo apt-get build-dep asterisk and then... tar xvfz ./configure make make install ... is very very easy and clean, and IMHO i guess is better SO Ubuntu than any other RHEL based distro... Mind you, asterisk is in the ubuntu universe (rather than main) archive. As such, it also has some other dependencies in universe. Specifically (looking at the current Hardy) package: libc-client2007-dev libiksemel-dev libopenh323-dev libpri-dev libradiusclient-ng-dev libtonezone-dev libvpb-dev zaptel-source As a rule, the universe packages there get much less attention, and don't necessarily get regular security updates. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 2849 (20080205) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 2851 (20080205) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
I have been running FC5 for 3 years with no issues, I also started using for FC7 the last 2 months. I have not had any issues. On 2/3/08, Goke Aruna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2008 at 05:13:39PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ubuntu server for me please simply, is better... install. then activate universe and multiverse repositories sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo apt-get build-dep asterisk and then... tar xvfz ./configure make make install ... is very very easy and clean, and IMHO i guess is better SO Ubuntu than any other RHEL based distro... Mind you, asterisk is in the ubuntu universe (rather than main) archive. As such, it also has some other dependencies in universe. Specifically (looking at the current Hardy) package: libc-client2007-dev libiksemel-dev libopenh323-dev libpri-dev libradiusclient-ng-dev libtonezone-dev libvpb-dev zaptel-source As a rule, the universe packages there get much less attention, and don't necessarily get regular security updates. i think, its matter of knowing what you want, I have been running FC5 with sangoma a104dx card for over a year, i have not experienced any serious stress. goksie ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, Just to throw in my 2 cents worth, I have been evaluating most of the 'big' distro's for my Asterisk platform and since I've used almost all of them I kept the pre-requisites to these standard options. 1. Package management - easy to administer, easy to upgrade and include development packages 2. System stability - Gotta be rock solid 3. Proprietary Code - It must be all open source 4. Standards Compliant With a lot of testing, compiling and downloading I came to the conclusion that the winner was Debian 'Etch' Reason: 1. Apt - The best package management system ever. 2. Rock solid platform, my other Debian servers have been running for years (and so have my CentOS servers so I'm not being biased) 3. The software is all open source. 4. I have a requirement for H323 in the vast majority of my asterisk boxes and it compiles brilliantly with Etch 5. 1 CD install - The Net-Install CD makes things neat 6. Slow release cycle and easy upgrade to latest version once released. CentOS came a very close second however it was the apt difference that clinched it for Debian. I would have went Ubuntu instead of Debian however the packages are not quite as concise and I'm still not sure on the whole 'sudo' method of security, its great for a desktop but the jury is still out on a server. Regards, Alan love U.all wrote: | i wanna build a production Asterisk box ,will RedHat Linux Enterprise | Server be more stable than Fedora core Linux or it makes no significant | difference | | Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger | http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ | | | | | ___ | -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- | | asterisk-users mailing list | To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: |http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users - -- Alan Hanley FSF Member 4949 Windows is a half-baked, dying OS that in essence is a 32 bit extension and graphical shell, for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHpkl3MRbQISW5zV8RAoBLAJ9Ga/dGRyZkQeBwrBNTVkIA5+jZtwCeLBO8 xNEKOPuH8t+lzRG7OUb7ChI= =lAyF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
Actively maintained or actively being broken and fixed with constant updates? Not something suitable for Production IMHO. Makes more sense for development and experimentation IMHO. -Original Message- From: Benny Amorsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:54 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora? shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I cannot think of a single reason to use Fedora for a production anything when there are alternatives like CentOS. Fedora is bleeding edge stuff and constantly changing. The advantage of Fedora is that it is very actively maintained -- and asterisk is only a yum install asterisk away! /Benny ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
I prefer CentOS barebone install and yumming the way up for dependencies but manually compile asterisk/zaptel . Ubuntu servers are pretty good too since its repositories are quite bigger compared to CentOS . On Feb 2, 2008 11:45 PM, shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actively maintained or actively being broken and fixed with constant updates? Not something suitable for Production IMHO. Makes more sense for development and experimentation IMHO. -Original Message- From: Benny Amorsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:54 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora? shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I cannot think of a single reason to use Fedora for a production anything when there are alternatives like CentOS. Fedora is bleeding edge stuff and constantly changing. The advantage of Fedora is that it is very actively maintained -- and asterisk is only a yum install asterisk away! /Benny ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
Ubuntu server for me please simply, is better... install. then activate universe and multiverse repositories sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo apt-get build-dep asterisk and then... tar xvfz ./configure make make install ... is very very easy and clean, and IMHO i guess is better SO Ubuntu than any other RHEL based distro... IMHO RedHat sucks xP On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 03:59:47 +0530, Jaswinder Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer CentOS barebone install and yumming the way up for dependencies but manually compile asterisk/zaptel . Ubuntu servers are pretty good too since its repositories are quite bigger compared to CentOS . On Feb 2, 2008 11:45 PM, shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actively maintained or actively being broken and fixed with constant updates? Not something suitable for Production IMHO. Makes more sense for development and experimentation IMHO. -Original Message- From: Benny Amorsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:54 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora? shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I cannot think of a single reason to use Fedora for a production anything when there are alternatives like CentOS. Fedora is bleeding edge stuff and constantly changing. The advantage of Fedora is that it is very actively maintained -- and asterisk is only a yum install asterisk away! /Benny ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
On Sat, Feb 02, 2008 at 05:13:39PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ubuntu server for me please simply, is better... install. then activate universe and multiverse repositories sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo apt-get build-dep asterisk and then... tar xvfz ./configure make make install ... is very very easy and clean, and IMHO i guess is better SO Ubuntu than any other RHEL based distro... Mind you, asterisk is in the ubuntu universe (rather than main) archive. As such, it also has some other dependencies in universe. Specifically (looking at the current Hardy) package: libc-client2007-dev libiksemel-dev libopenh323-dev libpri-dev libradiusclient-ng-dev libtonezone-dev libvpb-dev zaptel-source As a rule, the universe packages there get much less attention, and don't necessarily get regular security updates. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2008 at 05:13:39PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ubuntu server for me please simply, is better... install. then activate universe and multiverse repositories sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo apt-get build-dep asterisk and then... tar xvfz ./configure make make install ... is very very easy and clean, and IMHO i guess is better SO Ubuntu than any other RHEL based distro... Mind you, asterisk is in the ubuntu universe (rather than main) archive. As such, it also has some other dependencies in universe. Specifically (looking at the current Hardy) package: libc-client2007-dev libiksemel-dev libopenh323-dev libpri-dev libradiusclient-ng-dev libtonezone-dev libvpb-dev zaptel-source As a rule, the universe packages there get much less attention, and don't necessarily get regular security updates. i think, its matter of knowing what you want, I have been running FC5 with sangoma a104dx card for over a year, i have not experienced any serious stress. goksie ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
i wanna build a production Asterisk box ,will RedHat Linux Enterprise Server be more stable than Fedora core Linux or it makes no significant difference _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
love U.all wrote: i wanna build a production Asterisk box ,will RedHat Linux Enterprise Server be more stable than Fedora core Linux or it makes no significant difference I started out running Fedora, but I have migrated away from it for a few reasons. Fedora has a very short life cycle and since the demise of the legacy project there is no support for releases that are over a year old. It is also considered a bleeding-edge distribution and is a testing ground for new applications and features. As such, it has frequent updates (including the kernel) that aren't guaranteed not to break your system. If stability and long-term support are your goals, I recommend taking a look at CentOS http://www.centos.org/. It is a binary-compatible clone of Red Hat Enterprise Linux that's free and has a very long support period. It's basically RHEL without the paid support contract. My migration to CentOS was painless, because the file system and configuration are practically identical to those of Fedora. Regards, Matthew Roth InterMedia Marketing Solutions Software Engineer and Systems Developer ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
We are using Fedora because that is what the company we got our system from recommended. If I was doing the system myself I would throw in my vote for CentOS. I am using it for a database server and I have had no problems with it at all. It is about as stable and secure of Linux distro as I have ever used. If you do go with them I suggest kicking the CentOS team a few dollars. They do dang good work. On Feb 1, 2008 9:16 AM, love U. all [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i wanna build a production Asterisk box ,will RedHat Linux Enterprise Server be more stable than Fedora core Linux or it makes no significant difference Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
Matthew J. Roth wrote: love U.all wrote: i wanna build a production Asterisk box ,will RedHat Linux Enterprise Server be more stable than Fedora core Linux or it makes no significant difference I started out running Fedora, but I have migrated away from it for a few reasons. Fedora has a very short life cycle and since the demise of the legacy project there is no support for releases that are over a year I'd take it a step further... if you want asterisk on a stable platform, I'd suggest trixbox. It is CentOS with an additional asterisk repo. It also comes with several additional apps like SugarCRM and web based management. -- Milton Calnek BSc, A/Slt(Ret.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 306-717-8737 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
My suggestion - use the distro which you know best. We use Debian (200+ installations). It works stable for us because we know how to achieve it. Others use Fedora/Centos - because they are experts in these systems. Stability and performance of the system does not depend on the distro - only on person who built this system. Regards, Mindaugas Kezys http://www.kolmisoft.com MOR - Advanced Billing for Asterisk PBX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWATCDR Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:14 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora? We are using Fedora because that is what the company we got our system from recommended. If I was doing the system myself I would throw in my vote for CentOS. I am using it for a database server and I have had no problems with it at all. It is about as stable and secure of Linux distro as I have ever used. If you do go with them I suggest kicking the CentOS team a few dollars. They do dang good work. On Feb 1, 2008 9:16 AM, love U. all [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i wanna build a production Asterisk box ,will RedHat Linux Enterprise Server be more stable than Fedora core Linux or it makes no significant difference Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Milton Calnek wrote: Matthew J. Roth wrote: love U.all wrote: i wanna build a production Asterisk box ,will RedHat Linux Enterprise Server be more stable than Fedora core Linux or it makes no significant difference I started out running Fedora, but I have migrated away from it for a few reasons. Fedora has a very short life cycle and since the demise of the legacy project there is no support for releases that are over a year I'd take it a step further... if you want asterisk on a stable platform, I'd suggest trixbox. It is CentOS with an additional asterisk repo. It also comes with several additional apps like SugarCRM and web based management. But all that cruft is not always appropriate -- parts left out don't get broke. They also don't need to be updated, suck up memory, cpu, disk or get in the way of learning how Asterisk really works. I like to start with a minimal CentOS install -- de-select everything and then yum install just the packages you actually need. Thanks in advance, Steve Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 09:58:28AM -0600, Milton Calnek wrote: Matthew J. Roth wrote: love U.all wrote: i wanna build a production Asterisk box ,will RedHat Linux Enterprise Server be more stable than Fedora core Linux or it makes no significant difference I started out running Fedora, but I have migrated away from it for a few reasons. Fedora has a very short life cycle and since the demise of the legacy project there is no support for releases that are over a year I'd take it a step further... if you want asterisk on a stable platform, I'd suggest trixbox. It is CentOS with an additional asterisk repo. It also comes with several additional apps like SugarCRM and web based management. I'm sorry, but Trixbox (CE) and its like are modified versions of CentOS, and those modifications are not always so standard: 1. Many changes in /usr/local and such rather than in packages. 2. Kernel never gets updated. Even latest trixbox 2.2 versions are shipped with kernel from CentOS 4.3. CentOS has issued many updates since. Try to build your own kernel stuff on it. 3. It uses FreePBX, and this has its pros and cons. It is surely a comlpicated system to start with. If you happen not to like it, you're heading for much work in removing it. So it's not simply CentOS. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
I cannot think of a single reason to use Fedora for a production anything when there are alternatives like CentOS. Fedora is bleeding edge stuff and constantly changing. -Original Message- From: Matthew J. Roth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:39 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora? love U.all wrote: i wanna build a production Asterisk box ,will RedHat Linux Enterprise Server be more stable than Fedora core Linux or it makes no significant difference I started out running Fedora, but I have migrated away from it for a few reasons. Fedora has a very short life cycle and since the demise of the legacy project there is no support for releases that are over a year old. It is also considered a bleeding-edge distribution and is a testing ground for new applications and features. As such, it has frequent updates (including the kernel) that aren't guaranteed not to break your system. If stability and long-term support are your goals, I recommend taking a look at CentOS http://www.centos.org/. It is a binary-compatible clone of Red Hat Enterprise Linux that's free and has a very long support period. It's basically RHEL without the paid support contract. My migration to CentOS was painless, because the file system and configuration are practically identical to those of Fedora. Regards, Matthew Roth InterMedia Marketing Solutions Software Engineer and Systems Developer ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
Matthew J. Roth wrote: love U.all wrote: i wanna build a production Asterisk box ,will RedHat Linux Enterprise Server be more stable than Fedora core Linux or it makes no significant difference I started out running Fedora, but I have migrated away from it for a few reasons. Fedora has a very short life cycle and since the demise of the legacy project there is no support for releases that are over a year old. It is also considered a bleeding-edge distribution and is a testing ground for new applications and features. As such, it has frequent updates (including the kernel) that aren't guaranteed not to break your system. If stability and long-term support are your goals, I recommend taking a look at CentOS http://www.centos.org/. It is a binary-compatible clone of Red Hat Enterprise Linux that's free and has a very long support period. It's basically RHEL without the paid support contract. My migration to CentOS was painless, because the file system and configuration are practically identical to those of Fedora. Regards, Matthew Roth InterMedia Marketing Solutions Software Engineer and Systems Developer ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Milton Calnek BSc, A/Slt(Ret.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 306-717-8737 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Enterprise or Fedora?
shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I cannot think of a single reason to use Fedora for a production anything when there are alternatives like CentOS. Fedora is bleeding edge stuff and constantly changing. The advantage of Fedora is that it is very actively maintained -- and asterisk is only a yum install asterisk away! /Benny ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
