Re: [asterisk-users] Emerging dilema? DID forwarding meets SMS
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Drew Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone clarify how SMS to non-mobile numbers are generally handled in North America? Is it possible to have SMS delivered direct to your landline DIDs? Then have Asterisk relay it to the actual mobile DID. When I send an SMS from a SprintPCS phone to a landline it gets delivered via voice, pretty much how Gordon describes ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Emerging dilema? DID forwarding meets SMS
On Thu, 23 Oct 2008, Karl Fife wrote: We have a number of DID's that do the standard VoIP tricks: ringing multiple locations, findme-followme etc. What is happening more and more is that customers call those DID numbers, and draw the reasonable conclusion that they are calling mobile numbers because they literally can HEAR that the called party is on a mobile. Consequently many of those customers draw the conclusion that they can safely send SMS's to those DID numbers. Naturally the SMS messages disappear into the ether. It occurrs to me that relaying SMS messages following dialplan logic may become an increasingly common objective. I say the SMS messages 'naturally' disappear but maybe I'm just ignorant to this topic because it has not been important to us in the past. Er, they don't dissapear for me. I send a TXT to a landline, the phone rings and there is a text to speech robot which reads it out to you, or, you can register to not have that happen, and then it sends it to a device which decodes the tones and puts it on the phone display. (And by a similar method you can send TXTs from a landline phone that has the right facilities) If you don't answer, it tries a few more times, or you can call the number and it'll speak it back to you. Don't you have that facility? Maybe it depends on country and telco. Currently we routinely SEND SMS's from Asterisk triggered by other dialplan events. So far we've never needed to RELAY from one DID to another. Are terrestrial carriers even presented with SMS messages? Is anyone using Asterisk to relay SMS messages? The possibilities probably depend on the country you're in.. Gordon ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Emerging dilema? DID forwarding meets SMS
Gordon Henderson wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2008, Karl Fife wrote: We have a number of DID's that do the standard VoIP tricks: ringing multiple locations, findme-followme etc. What is happening more and more is that customers call those DID numbers, and draw the reasonable conclusion that they are calling mobile numbers because they literally can HEAR that the called party is on a mobile. Consequently many of those customers draw the conclusion that they can safely send SMS's to those DID numbers. Naturally the SMS messages disappear into the ether. Er, they don't dissapear for me. I send a TXT to a landline, the phone rings and there is a text to speech robot which reads it out to you, or, Don't you have that facility? Maybe it depends on country and telco. Err, Gordon, you must be in a country from the 21st century. North America is just beginning to emerge from the mobile Stone Age. Some people have heard of text messaging but most think you have to pay Blackberry to send emails. I ran into the issues Karl mentions when trying to txt our ISP contact during our office move. Can anyone clarify how SMS to non-mobile numbers are generally handled in North America? Is it possible to have SMS delivered direct to your landline DIDs? Then have Asterisk relay it to the actual mobile DID. regards, Drew -- Drew Gibson Systems Administrator OANDA Corporation www.oanda.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Emerging dilema? DID forwarding meets SMS
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Drew Gibson wrote: Gordon Henderson wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2008, Karl Fife wrote: We have a number of DID's that do the standard VoIP tricks: ringing multiple locations, findme-followme etc. What is happening more and more is that customers call those DID numbers, and draw the reasonable conclusion that they are calling mobile numbers because they literally can HEAR that the called party is on a mobile. Consequently many of those customers draw the conclusion that they can safely send SMS's to those DID numbers. Naturally the SMS messages disappear into the ether. Er, they don't dissapear for me. I send a TXT to a landline, the phone rings and there is a text to speech robot which reads it out to you, or, Don't you have that facility? Maybe it depends on country and telco. Err, Gordon, you must be in a country from the 21st century. The UK, and while BT do have their faults, they do have some handy features... North America is just beginning to emerge from the mobile Stone Age. Some people have heard of text messaging but most think you have to pay Blackberry to send emails. I'm sorry. Keep banging the rocks together guys... Last time I visited I was frustrated by the lack of TXTability - too many standards, too many carriers not giving you the full service... The weird thing is that if you have a more or less universal TXTing coverage it would literally take off overnight. It did in the UK when the 4 main operators got together and let TXTs pass between then. I think the latest stats are something stupid like over a billion TXTs a week in the UK now... http://uk.gizmodo.com/2007/11/06/one_billion_text_messages_sent.html However, I've just tried with my VoIP carrier and they just vanish. Might drop them an email and ask about it... I ran into the issues Karl mentions when trying to txt our ISP contact during our office move. Can anyone clarify how SMS to non-mobile numbers are generally handled in North America? Is it possible to have SMS delivered direct to your landline DIDs? Then have Asterisk relay it to the actual mobile DID. If not, there's got to be a killer app in there somewhere if you can figure out a revenue generation mechanism... Gordon ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Emerging dilema? DID forwarding meets SMS
On Oct 24, 2008, at 9:29 AM, Gordon Henderson wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Drew Gibson wrote: Gordon Henderson wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2008, Karl Fife wrote: We have a number of DID's that do the standard VoIP tricks: ringing multiple locations, findme-followme etc. What is happening more and more is that customers call those DID numbers, and draw the reasonable conclusion that they are calling mobile numbers because they literally can HEAR that the called party is on a mobile. Consequently many of those customers draw the conclusion that they can safely send SMS's to those DID numbers. Naturally the SMS messages disappear into the ether. Er, they don't dissapear for me. I send a TXT to a landline, the phone rings and there is a text to speech robot which reads it out to you, or, Don't you have that facility? Maybe it depends on country and telco. Err, Gordon, you must be in a country from the 21st century. The UK, and while BT do have their faults, they do have some handy features... North America is just beginning to emerge from the mobile Stone Age. Some people have heard of text messaging but most think you have to pay Blackberry to send emails. I'm sorry. Keep banging the rocks together guys... Last time I visited I was frustrated by the lack of TXTability - too many standards, too many carriers not giving you the full service... The weird thing is that if you have a more or less universal TXTing coverage it would literally take off overnight. It did in the UK when the 4 main operators got together and let TXTs pass between then. I think the latest stats are something stupid like over a billion TXTs a week in the UK now... http://uk.gizmodo.com/2007/11/06/one_billion_text_messages_sent.html However, I've just tried with my VoIP carrier and they just vanish. Might drop them an email and ask about it... I ran into the issues Karl mentions when trying to txt our ISP contact during our office move. Can anyone clarify how SMS to non-mobile numbers are generally handled in North America? Is it possible to have SMS delivered direct to your landline DIDs? Then have Asterisk relay it to the actual mobile DID. If not, there's got to be a killer app in there somewhere if you can figure out a revenue generation mechanism... Gordon You're right, there is revenue there. That's why carriers haven't done it yet - the FUD keeps them from offering the product. Here in North America, we are lucky to even have the two stones to bang together to make calls. Everyone is in love with short codes, which really kind of suck for low-cost, low-friction messaging since not every one of your users can have a short code for inbound messages. But the revenue is there for shortcodes, and mobile carriers are terrified that SMS-enabling ordinary E.164 numbers will take away their death-grip on the mobile messaging market. I'm of the opinion that there is some sort of collusion happening, but I'm so far away from that these days it doesn't bother me other than to laugh at how backwards our mobile carrier market is here. So when I _did_ care about these things, I spent some time researching it. After a lot of painful phone calls asking obvious questions of carriers (You want WHAT?! IMPOSSIBLE!) the only thing I found was this: Level 3 offers SIP-delivered numbers (origination and termination) which can be SMS-enabled. The SMS-enabling requires a separate deal with a company called Syniverse. But once you get both of those deals in place, you could send/receive messages to numbers which were delivered to you via VoIP trunks. The SMS delivery had various different protocols options over which it could be delivered/accepted from your location. This was 1.5 years ago that I did the research on this, so perhaps vendors other than Level 3 are offering this now in the United States. I hope so. But it was new, cutting-edge crazy stuff back then, despite being COMPLETELY OBVIOUS that the market needs something like this, and that every ITSP would offer it immediately. As far as SMS-enabling existing E.164 addresses that you might have - good luck. If someone knows of a way, let me know since I figure it'll be a cold day in hell before my carrier(s) would offer that service capability. Asterisk isn't the greatest platform yet for accepting text messages, and it's only marginally good at sending them on some types of digital circuits. SIP SIMPLE or SMPP are really the primary protocols for this type of transmission, and Asterisk doesn't have either yet. It's a chicken-and-egg thing, I think - as soon as better SMS transmit/ receive is possible, better text message handling will appear in Asterisk (your code is welcome!) Lastly: there is some activity towards SMS support in some unusual configurations from the OpenBTS guys who are building interesting
