[Aus-soaring] Water Landing

2014-08-28 Thread Future Aviation
Hello all It appears to me that this glider pilot either left his field selection a little late or he wanted to imitate Captain Sullenberger! In any case, it was well done! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcsrDxOI8cc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcsrDxOI8ccfeature=youtube_gdata_player

Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing

2014-08-28 Thread Alan Wilson
Thanks Bernard, I hope we don't see a spate of such landings now. But to me it was useful because a fear for all would be the nose digging in leaving the cockpit under water. Options were oft discussed in Finland in 1976. I think it also implies such landings should be done with the

Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing

2014-08-28 Thread Future Aviation
Hi Alan Precisely! A major reason for posting this link was to through doubt on the claim that gliders always submarine on water landings. Kind regards to all Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On

Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing

2014-08-28 Thread Paul Bart
Hmmm, it is also said that the gear should be deployed. I understand this is the recommended procedure in Finland. This glider certainly did not lower his gear. Cheers Paul On 29 August 2014 08:16, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Alan Precisely! A major reason for

Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing

2014-08-28 Thread Grant Davies
Oh I see his problem, he forgot to put the wheel down. Kindest Regards Grant Davies From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: Friday, 29 August 2014 7:37 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to

Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing

2014-08-28 Thread Paul Bart
On 29 August 2014 08:58, Grant Davies gr...@davies.id.au wrote: Oh I see his problem, he forgot to put the wheel down. Your point being? Cheers Paul ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription

Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing

2014-08-28 Thread Mike Borgelt
Don't expect any of the avionics to work after you do this. I've seen what happens on a couple of occasions. One was Lake Keepit(clearly a fair bit of salt) and one was a Norwegian lake(less salt). Managed to salvage a couple of boards out of the Norwegian one. Mike At 07:36 AM 29/08/2014,

Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing

2014-08-28 Thread Grant Davies
Trying to lighten a Friday. Sorry if it offended anyone. Kindest Regards Grant Davies From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Bart Sent: Friday, 29 August 2014 9:06 AM To: gr...@davies.id.au; Discussion of

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-28 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 11:51 PM 28/08/2014, you wrote: I sincerely mean no disrespect to anyone and don't intend to enter into unproductive arguments but since when does what someone says override what's written in a legal document? Chris has already posted here that changes are envisaged. As it stands I

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-28 Thread Christopher McDonnell
From: Mike Borgelt Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 9:44 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes At 11:51 PM 28/08/2014, you wrote: I sincerely mean no disrespect to anyone and don’t intend

Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing

2014-08-28 Thread dennis hipperson
And did not turn upside down nor get sucked down which appears to be the theory behind lowering the gear to stop that. This is a link to another pilot who ditched in the sea and lowered the gear and ended upside down, he surmises that the tail may have hit a wave first, but could it also be

Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing

2014-08-28 Thread Michael Scutter
Grant, I really enjoyed your jest. May you have a long and happy life Michael On 29 Aug 2014, at 8:47 am, Grant Davies gr...@davies.id.au wrote: Trying to lighten a Friday. Sorry if it offended anyone. Kindest Regards Grant Davies From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net

Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing

2014-08-28 Thread dennis hipperson
Also found this: Landing on water: Over the years, there has been an on-going debate on whether it is better to land gear up or gear down on water. Current thought from Tom Knauff is to always land gear down. The rationale is that a water landing with gear up will result in the tail touching

Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing

2014-08-28 Thread Mark Newton
On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:58 PM, dennis hipperson dennishipper...@gmail.com wrote: Also found this: Landing on water: Over the years, there has been an on-going debate on whether it is better to land gear up or gear down on water. Current thought from Tom Knauff is to always land gear

Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing

2014-08-28 Thread Grant Davies
Not quite sure why you would put the gear down when landing on water. Is there an explanation as to why? Wouldn't this add excess drag that may cause the nose to dig in? This example shows a wheel up landing on water doesn't adversely push the nose under. Kindest Regards Grant Davies

Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing

2014-08-28 Thread Nick Gilbert
Surely there are so many variables (fuselage shape, surface of water, C of G position, etc) that almost every case would be different. I'm sure there would be examples of gear up gear down examples succeeding and failing. Nick. On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Grant Davies gr...@davies.id.au