I've deleted most comms. on this issue and cannot recall the initial request.
I was present at the ES 52b's test flight and from recall the initial trailer was an elongated version of the ES 52's trailer and suitably widened and strengthened. Five people were required to load her on the trailer. One to balance the fuselage and four to lift the centre section. The rest is simple. Is an enclosed trailer required and how much trailering is intended? I don't think the Stemme trailer will accommodate the ES52b centre section. Derek: Another issue has just arisen needing urgent transportation of another wide-bodied ES sailplane. Can you contact me directly: roedi...@internode.on.net or 08 8522 1423. Noel. -----Original Message----- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2015 6:20 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 142, Issue 11 Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra (John Orton) 2. Re: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 142, Issue 10 (Noel Roediger) 3. Re: Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra (Peter Champness) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 11:57:08 +0800 From: John Orton <johno...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra To: Aus-Soaring mail list <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <cajm5r1ykwi5tcp_jnfnscdugdu2eyj2-bhc2utw8swbtxdh...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi I have done some work on/with a Stemme S10 trailer, it was the S10 that was a Camden for many years. I have been told it was the first Cobra trailer built for an S10. It is a large clamshell Cobra (I think) with a fibreglass top. The arrangement is the outer wing panels go in the sides as per standard method and the heavy wing centre section goes in along the bottom floor. The Fuselage then sits on a wide dolly that straddles the main wing section Also the tail plane goes in the roof I think. The trailer came with its own mobile hydraulic hoist which you had to assemble with bolts and wing nuts. The hoist/crane was a modified engine hoist with large pneumatic tyres. Those engine hoists are available from super crap auto for $250 to $300 I think. It works for the Stemme however the cord width for a Kookaburra is fairly big and hence it may be difficult to locate the wing underneath the fuse. Regards, John Orton On 09/07/2015 7:57 AM, "Mike Borgelt" <mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> wrote: > Peter, > > I'd have a look at the trailer for the Stemme S10. > > The one I saw had a kind of crane for the center section built into > the trailer. Can't remember much else about it as I wasn't that > interested and it was twenty plus years ago. > > Similar problem. Two seat, wide fuselage, three piece wing with heavy > center section. > > Mike > > > > > At 08:27 AM 9/07/2015, you wrote: > > No,? The trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the > Glider is sort of bolted on. > > Getting the wing centre section? off was difficult for 3 people.? > Getting the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! > > A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything.? I am still > crowd sourcing ideas for that. > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson <gstev...@bigpond.com> > wrote: > Hi Derek, > Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! > Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing > version a Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? > > I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW > Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my > memory! > Perhaps this is a very good thing! > > As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty > of man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - > glider and trailer - works), to coordinate things. > > I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and > ease of using Emilis's trailer!? Does such a person still exist out > there? Also, how well did this trailer tow? > > BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? > > Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > <aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net>] On Behalf Of Derek > Ruddock > Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra > > Sounds hideous... > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > <aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net>] On Behalf Of emilis > prelgauskas > Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra > > I don't know where GLZ is these days. > When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. > I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike > Valentine and John Viney. > > This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer > wing panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner > (looking from the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the > front end diagonally across the trailer, and the centre section > against the left wall with underside facing outward. > The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a > rolling frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre > section is clear of the trailer rear with its door swung out of the > way. The centre section is at a height that clears the fuselage height rolling on the ground. > A stand holds the external end of the horizontal centre section. > This permits the fuselage to be rolled under, tilted away from the > trailer side as the external stand is removed and the centre section > mated at this somewhat inclined angle. Once rigged, this part airframe > rolls aft away from the trailer and the other lighter parts can be > carried and rigged. > > > > On 06/07/2015, at 4:04 PM, Peter Champness wrote: > > > We are attempting to put VH-GRN into service.? The trailer is > > pretty atrocious and it ? is a lot of trouble to unpack and to load > > the glider. > > > > Does anyone have a trailer or have any good ideas re wing stands, > > rigging aids etc. > > > > Peter Champness_______________________________________________ > > Aus-soaring mailing list > > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > > To check or change subscription details, visit: > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6037 / Virus Database: 4365/10184 - Release Date: > 07/07/15 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > *Borgelt Instruments* - > *design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * > www.borgeltinstruments.com > tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 > mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 > P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20150 709/cff874b0/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:17:26 +0930 From: "Noel Roediger" <roedi...@internode.on.net> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 142, Issue 10 To: <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <000601d0ba02$61d515c0$257f4140$@internode.on.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Derek. If the Stemme trailer is available I'm prepared to take it away to a good and useful home. Noel. -----Original Message----- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2015 12:00 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 142, Issue 10 Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra (Derek Ruddock) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 11:46:47 +1000 From: "Derek Ruddock" <drudd...@iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <004c01d0b9e9$1e8b2b60$5ba18220$@iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There?s an unused and unwanted Stemme trailer sitting at Camden Airport if anyone wished to take it away and modify it. It originally was owned by Steve Fossett. Neil Cox?s widow didn?t want it and our club has no use for it. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2015 9:51 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra Peter, I'd have a look at the trailer for the Stemme S10. The one I saw had a kind of crane for the center section built into the trailer. Can't remember much else about it as I wasn't that interested and it was twenty plus years ago. Similar problem. Two seat, wide fuselage, three piece wing with heavy center section. Mike At 08:27 AM 9/07/2015, you wrote: No,? The trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the Glider is sort of bolted on. Getting the wing centre section? off was difficult for 3 people.? Getting the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything.? I am still crowd sourcing ideas for that. On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson <gstev...@bigpond.com> wrote: Hi Derek, Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing version a Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my memory! Perhaps this is a very good thing! As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty of man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - glider and trailer - works), to coordinate things. I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and ease of using Emilis's trailer!? Does such a person still exist out there? Also, how well did this trailer tow? BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? Gary -----Original Message----- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net <mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> ] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra Sounds hideous... -----Original Message----- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net <mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> ] On Behalf Of emilis prelgauskas Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra I don't know where GLZ is these days. When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike Valentine and John Viney. This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the front end diagonally across the trailer, and the centre section against the left wall with underside facing outward. The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a rolling frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre section is clear of the trailer rear with its door swung out of the way. The centre section is at a height that clears the fuselage height rolling on the ground. A stand holds the external end of the horizontal centre section. This permits the fuselage to be rolled under, tilted away from the trailer side as the external stand is removed and the centre section mated at this somewhat inclined angle. Once rigged, this part airframe rolls aft away from the trailer and the other lighter parts can be carried and rigged. On 06/07/2015, at 4:04 PM, Peter Champness wrote: > We are attempting to put VH-GRN into service.? The trailer is pretty > atrocious and it ? is a lot of trouble to unpack and to load the > glider. > > Does anyone have a trailer or have any good ideas re wing stands, > rigging aids etc. > > Peter Champness_______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6037 / Virus Database: 4365/10184 - Release Date: 07/07/15 _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com <http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/> tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20150 709/a46a0aa2/attachment.html> ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring End of Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 142, Issue 10 ******************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 18:49:29 +1000 From: Peter Champness <plchampn...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <capjqzugfemp_ffq__fcdpopbdqeo46bamhrtvsstpe9pzhx...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Engine hoist could work. However the Kookaburra is not that heavy. I think a combination of rolling wing fittings, levers and stands should work. This is not an issue for a Kookaburra owner alone. Anyone with a Nimbus, Janus or any other new heavy glider just has to fit out their trailer with devices to ease rigging and hold the heavy items. Man power is not enough any more. An alternative is to re-equip with a light weight 13m glider as Morgan Sandercock has done. On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:57 PM, John Orton <johno...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi > > I have done some work on/with a Stemme S10 trailer, it was the S10 > that was a Camden for many years. I have been told it was the first > Cobra trailer built for an S10. It is a large clamshell Cobra (I > think) with a fibreglass top. > > The arrangement is the outer wing panels go in the sides as per > standard method and the heavy wing centre section goes in along the bottom floor. > The Fuselage then sits on a wide dolly that straddles the main wing > section Also the tail plane goes in the roof I think. The trailer came > with its own mobile hydraulic hoist which you had to assemble with bolts and wing nuts. > The hoist/crane was a modified engine hoist with large pneumatic tyres. > Those engine hoists are available from super crap auto for $250 to > $300 I think. > > It works for the Stemme however the cord width for a Kookaburra is > fairly big and hence it may be difficult to locate the wing underneath the fuse. > > Regards, > John Orton > > On 09/07/2015 7:57 AM, "Mike Borgelt" > <mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> > wrote: > >> Peter, >> >> I'd have a look at the trailer for the Stemme S10. >> >> The one I saw had a kind of crane for the center section built into >> the trailer. Can't remember much else about it as I wasn't that >> interested and it was twenty plus years ago. >> >> Similar problem. Two seat, wide fuselage, three piece wing with heavy >> center section. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> At 08:27 AM 9/07/2015, you wrote: >> >> No,? The trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the >> Glider is sort of bolted on. >> >> Getting the wing centre section? off was difficult for 3 people.? >> Getting the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! >> >> A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything.? I am still >> crowd sourcing ideas for that. >> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson <gstev...@bigpond.com> >> wrote: >> Hi Derek, >> Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! >> Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing >> version a Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? >> >> I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW >> Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my >> memory! >> Perhaps this is a very good thing! >> >> As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have >> plenty of man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how >> everything - glider and trailer - works), to coordinate things. >> >> I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and >> ease of using Emilis's trailer!? Does such a person still exist out >> there? Also, how well did this trailer tow? >> >> BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? >> >> Gary >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net >> [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net >> <aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net>] On Behalf Of Derek >> Ruddock >> Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM >> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra >> >> Sounds hideous... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net >> [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net >> <aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net>] On Behalf Of emilis >> prelgauskas >> Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM >> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra >> >> I don't know where GLZ is these days. >> When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. >> I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike >> Valentine and John Viney. >> >> This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer >> wing panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner >> (looking from the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the >> front end diagonally across the trailer, and the centre section >> against the left wall with underside facing outward. >> The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a >> rolling frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre >> section is clear of the trailer rear with its door swung out of the >> way. The centre section is at a height that clears the fuselage >> height rolling on the ground. >> A stand holds the external end of the horizontal centre section. >> This permits the fuselage to be rolled under, tilted away from the >> trailer side as the external stand is removed and the centre section >> mated at this somewhat inclined angle. Once rigged, this part >> airframe rolls aft away from the trailer and the other lighter parts >> can be carried and rigged. >> >> >> >> On 06/07/2015, at 4:04 PM, Peter Champness wrote: >> >> > We are attempting to put VH-GRN into service.? The trailer is >> > pretty atrocious and it ? is a lot of trouble to unpack and to load >> > the glider. >> > >> > Does anyone have a trailer or have any good ideas re wing stands, >> > rigging aids etc. >> > >> > Peter Champness_______________________________________________ >> > Aus-soaring mailing list >> > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> > To check or change subscription details, visit: >> > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.6037 / Virus Database: 4365/10184 - Release Date: >> 07/07/15 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> *Borgelt Instruments* - >> *design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * >> www.borgeltinstruments.com >> tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 >> mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 >> P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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