Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-03 Thread Michael Scutter
of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes At 11:02 AM 2/09/2014, you wrote: Let's stick to the facts please. A Level 2 Independent Operators Rating does that and with less bureaucracy and overregulation than in other

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-03 Thread Michael Scutter
, 2014 10:49 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Ullrich, Rob Izatt is correct. when operating independently is the catch phrase. Don't forget also that an L2 independent operator

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Paul Bart
I’ve already told you why I consider leaving Yes you did, so what (no disrespect)? You are one individual. It is your right. For most members, it’s either get behind GFA or be grounded. But most members just may be happy with that. And that is my point, there is no evidence, besides quoting

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Mark Newton
On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Paul Bart pb2...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for a detailed and logical post. Frankly I do not think I would take issue with most points you make. I simply think my personal experience is different. I am not a member of any other flying organisation so I cannot

[Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Casey Jay Lewis
And the dichotomous ironies continue…. Justification for self-regulation/administration and lowered medical standards for gliders have been won using the low mass, low speed and low passenger capacity arguments. Perversely, suggest that a glider pilot should be able to be responsible for

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Ulrich Stauss
: Tuesday, 2 September 2014 13:02 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes An L2 independent operator is required to be supervised when club operations are in play and they are a member of that club

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Mark Newton
On Sep 2, 2014, at 4:04 PM, Paul Bart pb2...@gmail.com wrote: For most members, it’s either get behind GFA or be grounded. But most members just may be happy with that. And that is my point, there is no evidence, besides quoting few individual cases, to suggest that it is GFA that is

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Paul Bart
That’s just Imposter Syndrome. Alan Barnes knows Ingo would be doing 12. :) ​Bugger, suddenly I am third-class :) Cheers Paul On 2 September 2014 16:06, Mark Newton new...@atdot.dotat.org wrote: On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Paul Bart pb2...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for a detailed and

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Paul Bart
On 2 September 2014 18:06, Mark Newton new...@atdot.dotat.org wrote: What’s with that? ​As I do not know I'll withdraw Cheers Paul ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Christopher McDonnell
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Paul Bart pb2...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for a detailed and logical post. Frankly I do not think I would take issue with most points

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Ron Sanders
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 4:06 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Paul Bart pb2...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for a detailed and logical post. Frankly I

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Mike Borgelt
: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Hi Simon You have raised a very valid point here! I have often wondered why one can have all the qualifications in the world but cannot operate a glider in Australia independently and without instructor oversight. As far as I know

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Ron Sanders
] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2014 11:07 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes At 11:02 AM 2/09/2014, you wrote: Let's stick to the facts please. A Level 2 Independent Operators

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Ron Sanders
: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes At 11:02 AM 2/09/2014, you wrote: Let's stick to the facts please. A Level 2 Independent Operators Rating does that and with less bureaucracy and overregulation than in other parts of the world. It is also a product

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Robert Izatt
:07 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes At 11:02 AM 2/09/2014, you wrote: Let's stick to the facts please. A Level 2 Independent Operators Rating does that and with less bureaucracy

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Ulrich Stauss
] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2014 11:07 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes At 11:02 AM 2/09/2014, you wrote: Let's stick to the facts please. A Level 2 Independent

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Ron Sanders
: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2014 07:08 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Mark Newton
On Sep 3, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Ulrich Stauss usta...@internode.on.net wrote: · That is a very ‘elastic’ phrase (which should be better defined). If you use club equipment or want to fly from a club owned airfield you are of course dependent on their whims. Even the “proper” licensing

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Tim Shirley
. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes At 11:02 AM 2/09/2014, you wrote: Let's stick to the facts please. A Level 2 Independent Operators Rating does that and with less bureaucracy and overregulation than in other parts of the world. It is also a product

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 01:24 PM 3/09/2014, you wrote: In the GFA system, if you hire an aircraft and violate the terms of your hire, any instructor can, at their option, write a logbook annotation which grounds you. The grounding takes immediate effect, and applies to all of your flying nationally, including

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Mike Borgelt
...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2014 11:07 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes At 11:02 AM 2/09/2014, you wrote: Let's stick to the facts please. A Level 2 Independent

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Ulrich Stauss
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mark Newton Sent: Wednesday, 3 September 2014 12:55 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes On Sep 3, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Ulrich Stauss

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Tim Shirley
:07 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes At 11:02 AM 2/09/2014, you wrote: Let's stick to the facts please. A Level 2 Independent Operators Rating does that and with less bureaucracy

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-02 Thread Christopher McDonnell
has never declared the regions as required by Rule 1. Chris From: Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 10:49 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Ullrich, Rob Izatt is correct

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Michael Scutter
If you fly over seas you need a medical. If you have no desire to fly overseas, don't get a medical. I think there may be instances of GA pilots, can't pass their medical but the drivers licence bench mark allows them to fly/instruct. Michael On 1 Sep 2014, at 3:27 pm, Matt Gage

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Mike Borgelt
Michael, The Recreational Licence medical to which I think you refer is actually a heavy vehicle driver's licence medical with some additional CASA requirements. The actual medical standards are EXACTLY the same as as a Class 2 medical. If you can honestly answer the questions and come up to

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Michael Scutter
Hnm! Bet that will draw blank looks!! Michael On 1 Sep 2014, at 3:58 pm, Matthew Scutter yellowplant...@gmail.com wrote: I would be interested to learn if I can fly an Australian registered glider overseas with an Australian Glider Pilot's licence... On 1 Sep 2014 16:17, Mike

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread jim crowhurst
Alternatively if you want to fly in Europe, get a medical history letter from your Gp and you can fly to the UK and see an AME there and get a LAPL easa medical which is less stringent than a class 2. A DAME here in Australia cannot issue this. With the LAPL medical you can then fly a glider

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Christopher Thorpe
] On Behalf Of Simon Hackett Sent: Monday, 1 September 2014 3:09 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Just want to call out one other thing from the thread that I have just had confirmed separately

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Mike Borgelt
I think there are two issues here. There are people who may wish to travel OS and fly gliders solo for their own pleasure. They will need some temporary or permanent validation or recognition of their home country qualifications. Then there are competitors in recognised, sanctioned,

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Mike Borgelt
-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Simon Hackett Sent: Monday, 1 September 2014 3:09 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Just

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Christopher McDonnelll
-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Just want to call out one other thing from the thread that I have just had confirmed separately. The Australian CASA Glider Pilot License doesn't allow a pilot to fly a Glider in Australia. SRSLY? Its 2014. Why can't we live

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Christopher McDonnelll
...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Simon Hackett Sent: Monday, 1 September 2014 3:09 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Just want to call out one other thing from the thread that I have just

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Christopher Thorpe
to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Very nice, now why don't you answer Simon's question? Mike At 06:40 PM 1/09/2014, you wrote: There is no conspiracy here but I admit it is a bit Pythonish! To fly gliders in Australia one

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Christopher Thorpe
Of Christopher McDonnelll Sent: Monday, 1 September 2014 7:52 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Yes, Christopher. What is the agenda/reasoning? GFA's or CASA's. Chris Sent from my iPad On 1

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Christopher McDonnelll
September 2014 7:52 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Yes, Christopher. What is the agenda/reasoning? GFA's or CASA's. Chris Sent from my iPad On 1 Sep 2014, at 7:02 pm, Mike

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Ron
[ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Simon Hackett Sent: Monday, 1 September 2014 3:09 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Just want to call out one other thing from

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread jim crowhurst
] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Just want to call out one other thing from the thread that I have just had confirmed separately. The Australian CASA Glider Pilot License doesn't allow a pilot to fly a Glider in Australia. SRSLY? Its 2014. Why can't we live in a place where

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Future Aviation
: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Simon Hackett Sent: Monday, 1 September 2014 2:39 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Just

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Christopher McDonnell
-Original Message- From: Future Aviation Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 7:38 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Hi Simon You have raised a very valid point here! I have

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Mike Borgelt
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Just want to call out one other thing from the thread that I have just had confirmed separately. The Australian CASA Glider Pilot License doesn't allow a pilot

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Mike Borgelt
Hackett Sent: Monday, 1 September 2014 2:39 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Just want to call out one other thing from the thread that I have just had confirmed separately. The Australian CASA

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Paul Bart
On 2 September 2014 07:38, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Simon, can you (and other members of this newsgroup) let me in on your thinking, please? ​Bernard There were about 80 emails written on this topic over the last few days all saying about the same thing, all written by

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Ulrich Stauss
-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2014 07:08 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Hi Simon You have raised a very valid point here! I

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Mike Borgelt
I haven't seen a reason given yet. I've seen evasion, obfuscation, less than the whole truth and stonewalling. I've met and done business with quite a few people who are PPLs or higher who have contemplated going gliding. Some own several powered aircraft and their own airfields even but

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Mike Borgelt
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2014 07:08 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Hi Simon You have raised a very valid

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Mark Newton
On Sep 2, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Paul Bart pb2...@gmail.com wrote: You say When our newcomers realise that they will always be treated as second class aviators we can't blame them when they vote with their feet. Well I have been involved in gliding for some fourteen years now, with a

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Christopher McDonnell
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes On Sep 2, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Paul Bart pb2...@gmail.com wrote: You say When our newcomers realise that they will always be treated as second class aviators

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Ulrich Stauss
.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Hi Simon You have raised a very valid point here! I have often wondered why one can have all the qualifications in the world but cannot operate a glider in Australia independently and without instructor oversight. As far

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Robert Izatt
-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Just want to call out one other thing from the thread that I have just had confirmed separately. The Australian CASA Glider Pilot License doesn't allow a pilot to fly a Glider in Australia. SRSLY? Its 2014. Why can't we live

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Future Aviation
relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes On 2 September 2014 07:38, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Simon, can you (and other members of this newsgroup) let me in on your thinking, please? ​Bernard

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Al Borowski
Hi Paul, On 02/09/2014, Paul Bart pb2...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, I am more interested in maintaining a simple and inexpensive system to fly gliders in Australia. Given the fragile state of of participation in gliding I fear that any rise in complexity and / or cost will simply drive more

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Mark Newton
On Sep 2, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Robert Izatt thebunyipboo...@gmail.com wrote: An L2 independent operator is required to be supervised when club operations are in play and they are a member of that club. Particularly when a tow is required it is impossible to be independent by definition. In a

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Robert Izatt
You don't need to be supervised to get a tow but you can't be independent if the tow pilot is part of a club operation and the L2 Instructor says so. I am presuming the why was rhetorical. I haven't flown for two years as the club which I joined 12 years ago when it was insolvent and in debt

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Paul Bart
-boun...@lists.internode.on.net aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Paul Bart *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 September 2014 10:20 AM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes On 2

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 01:44 PM 2/09/2014, you wrote: I don't understand why a few friends can't get gliding licenses, buy a low-performance 2nd hand glider, and winch launch from a paddock somewhere. You don't need to have an instructor present to have fun in a boat or an ultralight. You don't even need to be in

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Mike Borgelt
] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes   On 2 September 2014 07:38, Future Aviation mailto:ec...@internode.on.netec...@internode.on.net wrote:   Simon, can you (and other members of this newsgroup) let me in on your thinking, please?  ​Bernard  There were about 80 emails

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Mark Newton
On Sep 2, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Paul Bart pb2...@gmail.com wrote: Finally a number of posters indicated that we may be losing potential glider pilots, because the GFA rules, yet I see people turning their backs on power flying, often citing cost (medicals etc.) and complexity as a reason. I do

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Paul Bart
Hi Mark I was not referring to the actual cost of a medical. That can easily be sourced, and you have provided it here. My point referred to what people leave and why. Cheers Paul On 2 September 2014 15:00, Mark Newton new...@atdot.dotat.org wrote: On Sep 2, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Paul Bart

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread DMcD
The question remains, why can’t properly licensed glider pilots be treated exactly like fully licensed power pilots? Please… fully licensed SAILPLANE pilots! Hang glider and paraglider pilots having passed the novice stage can turn up at a take off, assess the weather and if they consider

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Paul Bart
Hi Mark Thank you for a detailed and logical post. Frankly I do not think I would take issue with most points you make. I simply think my personal experience is different. I am not a member of any other flying organisation so I cannot compare. The fact is that I do not see that GFA impedes what

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-09-01 Thread Mark Newton
On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Paul Bart pb2...@gmail.com wrote: I was not referring to the actual cost of a medical. That can easily be sourced, and you have provided it here. My point referred to what people leave and why. I’ve already told you why I consider leaving, and it’s to do with

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-31 Thread Peter Brookman
relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes I tried to make sense of this thread and it just hurt my head. Not the fault of this thread, more the fault of the underlying confusion it is trying to unscramble... I thought- well

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-31 Thread Christopher McDonnelll
know either. -Original Message- From: Simon Hackett Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 4:50 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes I tried to make sense of this thread and it just hurt my

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-31 Thread Mike Borgelt
they don't know either. -Original Message- From: Simon Hackett Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 4:50 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes I tried to make sense of this thread and it just

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-31 Thread Peter Brookman
to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Maybe you should read what Simon wrote. He wanted to apply for a Glider Pilot Licence not a GPC. Mike At 08:51 AM 1/09/2014, you wrote: If you are a member of a gliding club GFA member to get

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-31 Thread Simon Hackett
Just want to call out one other thing from the thread that I have just had confirmed separately. The Australian CASA Glider Pilot License doesn't allow a pilot to fly a Glider in Australia. SRSLY? Its 2014. Why can't we live in a place where the GFA issues (or authorises) Glider Pilot

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-31 Thread Michael Scutter
Yes it is a croc of . I would have thought a GPC could have been sufficient, conditional on you class 2 or higher medical being passed without condition So, just what in the GPC is not covered to require this additional expense, effort and administration? That's what I'd really like to

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-31 Thread Mike Borgelt
Simon, Excellent question. I suspect you shouldn't hold your breath waiting for a sensible answer from the likes of Peter Thorpe, Drew McKinnie or Anita Taylor. Lets see if TPTB can be bothered giving you an answer in public. Is your US pilot certificate a real one or issued on the basis

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-28 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 11:51 PM 28/08/2014, you wrote: I sincerely mean no disrespect to anyone and don't intend to enter into unproductive arguments but since when does what someone says override what's written in a legal document? Chris has already posted here that changes are envisaged. As it stands I

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-28 Thread Christopher McDonnell
From: Mike Borgelt Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 9:44 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes At 11:51 PM 28/08/2014, you wrote: I sincerely mean no disrespect to anyone and don’t intend

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-25 Thread Ron Sanders
to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Ron Refer to CASR 61 http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2014C00046: 61.1510 Privileges of glider pilot licences 61.1520 Limitations on exercise of privileges of glider pilot licences—recennt

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-25 Thread Paul Mander
: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes As I understand it that process might have been based on goodwill or some other cooperation regime because when the BGA license was first introduced it was not ICAO compliant as i understand it. And probably it was only to fly

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-25 Thread Konrad Maierhofer
relating to Soaring in Australia. Betreff: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Bak in the good days (2011), Matthew got a British licence based on his c certificate and a recent scan of his log book showing he had done more than 5 hours flying in a year. The CEO

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-25 Thread Ron Sanders
...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] Im Auftrag von Michael Scutter Gesendet: Montag, 25. August 2014 07:20 An: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Betreff: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Bak in the good days (2011

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Christopher Thorpe
to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Picking up from Michael Scutter: Will overseas pilots holding an ICAO compliant (glider) pilots license and an FAI Sporting license still require a GPC to fly in Australian competitions

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Ron Sanders
-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Picking up from Michael Scutter: Will overseas pilots holding an ICAO compliant (glider) pilots license and an FAI Sporting license still require a GPC to fly in Australian competitions? Perhaps more importantly, do the insurances

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Christopher Thorpe
Of Ron Sanders Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2014 8:00 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Dear Chris, Could you please explain the legislative background which makes the GPC right now as is, ICAO

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Ron Sanders
*Sent:* Sunday, 24 August 2014 8:00 PM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Dear Chris, Could you please explain the legislative background which makes the GPC right now as is, ICAO

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Christopher Thorpe
-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2014 8:59 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Thank you

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Ulrich Stauss
-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Thorpe Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2014 18:52 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes To dispel some of the misinformation written about

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Christopher McDonnell
in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Thank you. In the references listed I can not find the privileges and responsibilities of the CASA GPL?? ron On 24 August 2014 18:51, Christopher Thorpe ctho...@bigpond.com wrote: Ron

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Ron
a glider out from under the umbrella in the rain? wlEmoticon-smile[1].png From: Christopher Thorpe Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:13 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Ron

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Christopher McDonnell
to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Hi Chris, Many thanks for the quick reply. However, I am not sure where in my post I was spreading misinformation but please correct me where I am wrong. With regard to your statement 1

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Ron
The answer you will get is safety but it is about control! On 25 Aug 2014, at 12:23, Al Borowski al.borow...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/08/2014, Ulrich Stauss usta...@internode.on.net wrote: So whilst the GPC tells me that the pilot has been trained to L1 IO standard, the privileges and

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Laurie Hoffman
Australian Weathercam Network Ben Quinn from Brisbane Storm Chasers is trying to get funding to extend a set up a network of weather cameras around Australia. Have a look at this crowd funding page. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1650021102/australian-weathercam-network   Regards

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Michael Scutter
in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Ron Refer to CASR 61 http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2014C00046: 61.1510 Privileges of glider pilot licences 61.1520 Limitations on exercise of privileges of glider pilot licences—recent experience

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Mike Borgelt
Al, You need to realise the history. In the depths of antiquity, God revealed his Plan for Australian Gliding to the Iggulden brothers and His First Commandment was Australian Glider pilots shall have no licences. Thus it was and has been and shall be for ever and ever. Amen. Mike At

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Ross McLean
Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Al Borowski Sent: Monday, 25 August 2014 12:23 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Christopher McDonnell
Hallelujah Hallelujah Halleluujah! Sorry Jack. I’ll still look after GQG but! From: Mike Borgelt Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 1:09 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Al

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Mike Borgelt
...@bigpond.comChristopher Thorpe Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:13 PM To: mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Ron Refer to CASR 61 http://www.comlaw.gov.au

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-24 Thread Michael Scutter
: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Ron Refer to CASR 61 http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2014C00046: 61.1510 Privileges of glider pilot licences 61.1520 Limitations on exercise of privileges of glider pilot licences—recennt experience 61.1525 Limitations

Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes

2014-08-23 Thread Ulrich Stauss
Picking up from Michael Scutter: Will overseas pilots holding an ICAO compliant (glider) pilots license and an FAI Sporting license still require a GPC to fly in Australian competitions? Perhaps more importantly, do the insurances recognise both the FAI Sporting license and the GPC for