Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-21 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 05:52 PM 20/03/2012, you wrote: Since Schneiders no longer exist as a company I am presuming their type certificates are held by either CASA or GFA... either way we pay for maintaining them through our subs, and would probably have to pay more if some private individual had obtained the

Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-20 Thread Mark Newton
On 20/03/2012, at 2:11 PM, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Together with the involuntary service fee it might keep DG afloat and owners of LS and DG gliders can get the support needed to keep their gliders in the air. I hope Glasflugel and Schneider never go broke, otherwise

Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-20 Thread Mike Cleaver
On 20/03/2012 5:56 PM, Mark Newton wrote: On 20/03/2012, at 2:11 PM, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net mailto:ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Together with the involuntary service fee it might keep DG afloat and owners of LS and DG gliders can get the support needed to keep their

Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-20 Thread Ross McLean
It is actually like having a gun held to your head by a Policeman and your wallet contents extracted and given to a mugger.. That is exactly how it felt Mike, well put. ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check

Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-20 Thread tom claffey
March 2012 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders On 20/03/2012 5:56 PM, Mark Newton wrote: On 20/03/2012, at 2:11 PM, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Untitled Document Together with the involuntary service fee it might keep DG afloat

Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-20 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 09:27 PM 20/03/2012, you wrote: Why do we need type certificates again? The glider does not know it's builder is no longer with us! Tom I've never run across an aircraft that can read, or is even aware of the existence of a piece of paper called a Type Certificate. I happily fly an

Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-19 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 08:57 AM 19/03/2012, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_001E_01CD05B6.AF270850 Content-Language: en-au Looks like this issue is still on the boil. Apparently the legality has been challenged with DG threatening to withdraw all support if it

Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-19 Thread Catherine Conway
I'm in Singapore on my way back from Germany on a gliding related trip. I spoke to people there about the issue and while I don't know if it's a general impression, people i met were not happy with the DG fee and and felt that those that paid it did not get value for money or good service.

Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-19 Thread Ross McLean
$657.80 was the invoiced amount ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of John Trezise Sent: Monday, 19 March 2012 12:51 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG

[Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-19 Thread John Trezise
Hi Ross ... so you were hit for 2 years. The annual fee if you go through Tom is Eu190 per year around ... around AUD 260 including GST. Direct to the factory (which allows you to deal directly with DG) is Eu250 ... around AUD312. John ___

Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-19 Thread Ross McLean
...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of John Trezise Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2012 8:14 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders Hi Ross ... so you were hit for 2 years. The annual fee if you go through Tom is Eu190 per year around ... around AUD 260

Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-19 Thread Tim Shirley
...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *John Trezise *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 March 2012 8:14 AM *To:* aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders Hi Ross ... so you were hit for 2 years. The annual fee if you go

Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-19 Thread Christopher Mc Donnell
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of John Trezise Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2012 8:14 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders Hi Ross ... so you

Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-19 Thread Mike Borgelt
to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders It must cost quite a bit to maintain all the paperwork and engineering expertise for the older gliders and if they are going to stay in business someone has to pay

Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-19 Thread Future Aviation
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders It must cost quite a bit to maintain all the paperwork and engineering expertise for the older gliders and if they are going to stay in business someone has to pay the bills. I

[Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-18 Thread John Trezise
Looks like this issue is still on the boil. Apparently the legality has been challenged with DG threatening to withdraw all support if it all becomes too hard. One change to note though is that if you now buy an old LS or DG glider, you will not be liable for back payments of the license fee

Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-18 Thread Ross McLean
...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of John Trezise Sent: Monday, 19 March 2012 8:57 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders Looks like this issue is still on the boil. Apparently the legality

[Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

2012-03-18 Thread John Trezise
Hi Ross, You are fortunate you were not required to pay retrospectively for 2010 and 2011. I had to and I am pretty sure everyone else did. The rules then were that anyone joining any time in the future would have to pay retrospectively to 2010, and I think this is still the case for anyone