Re: [Aus-soaring] Cloud flying, Wave flying, Artificial horizons, and such like instruments in gliders

2011-06-15 Thread Tim Shirley
Mike, At first glance, the concept of allowing cloud flying in competitions has problems relating to both fairness and safety, and I would be interested to know how the Kiwis handle it. The problem is that the level of competence in cloud flying among competitors will vary greatly (from

Re: [Aus-soaring] Cloud flying, Wave flying, Artificial horizons, and such like instruments in gliders

2011-06-15 Thread Mike Borgelt
Tim, I didn't ask. It was a competition briefing and the CD noted that the task passed through the allowed cloud flying area and you could cloud fly there. This was at Waharoa (North island). They do have complete radar coverage and the gliders all have transponders. Even in the UK they

[Aus-soaring] Cloud flying, Wave flying, Artificial horizons, and such like instruments in gliders

2011-06-14 Thread gstevo10
Hi All, I would very much like to know the process/history on how 'cloud flying came to be banned for gliders (in Australia), and when. I am somewhat surprised that as an ex British Colony - read we used to do what the Brits did even long after Federation - and cloud flying in gliders is, and

Re: [Aus-soaring] Cloud flying, Wave flying, Artificial horizons, and such like instruments in gliders

2011-06-14 Thread Tim Shirley
And when replying, please remember that you are writing for all the world to read. Not everyone reading this list is your friend. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 14/06/2011 11:21, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi All, I would very much like to know the process/history

Re: [Aus-soaring] Cloud flying, Wave flying, Artificial horizons, and such like instruments in gliders

2011-06-14 Thread Kenneth Caldwell
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:21 PM, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi All, I would very much like to know the process/history on how 'cloud flying came to be banned for gliders (in Australia), and when. I am somewhat surprised that as an ex British Colony - read we used to do what the Brits did

Re: [Aus-soaring] Cloud flying, Wave flying, Artificial horizons, and such like instruments in gliders

2011-06-14 Thread tom claffey
flying, Artificial horizons, and such like instruments in gliders Hi All, I would very much like to know the process/history on how 'cloud flying came to be banned for gliders (in Australia), and when. I am somewhat surprised that as an ex British Colony - read we used to do what the Brits

Re: [Aus-soaring] Cloud flying, Wave flying, Artificial horizons, and such like instruments in gliders

2011-06-14 Thread Jarek Mosiejewski
Hi, I think cloud flying was disallowed in comps after the World Comps in Vrsac, 1972 as a result of a mid-air in cloud and a fatality. This was the last world comps where clouds flying was allowed. One interesting aspect of this is that until about that time, gliders were designed (in thing

Re: [Aus-soaring] Cloud flying, Wave flying, Artificial horizons, and such like instruments in gliders

2011-06-14 Thread Tim Shirley
Hi all, I suspect that two factors were significant in the early days of the BGA which were not so relevant in Australia. First, the number of days with cumulus cloud and relatively low cloudbases, and secondly a number of ex-air force pilots with IFR skills being involved in the formation

Re: [Aus-soaring] Cloud flying, Wave flying, Artificial horizons, and such like instruments in gliders

2011-06-14 Thread Mike Borgelt
Cloud flying is permitted in NZ in designated cloud flying areas even in contests IIRC from a couple of years ago. Flying on instruments is a matter of training and practice. We nowadays have wonderful PC based flight simulators (Condor?) for the practice. The old arguments about we don't