old system shells (was: kde moves to scons. The future of autotools?)

2005-09-21 Thread Ralf Wildenhues
Hi Harlan, * Harlan Stenn wrote on Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 10:20:36PM CEST: As long as we can guarantee that one can compile a shell that supports the functionality that auto* needs I'm fine with that. I still get to support lots of ancient (ultrix, OSF/1, etc) systems. Hmm, according to Sven

Re: kde moves to scons. The future of autotools?

2005-09-16 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 13:52 -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Peter Volkov Alexandrovich wrote: The aim of scons is to replace gnu build system, but what are the weak sides of gnu build system? So far, scons is an exotic niche amongst other tools with almost no relevant

Re: kde moves to scons. The future of autotools?

2005-09-16 Thread Ralf Wildenhues
* Ralf Corsepius wrote on Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 12:39:13PM CEST: On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 13:52 -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: The drawback is that due to the use of relatively crude tools like sh, sed, awk, and make, the GNU system is more complex, larger, and more difficult to maintain.

Re: kde moves to scons. The future of autotools?

2005-09-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 13:52 -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Peter Volkov Alexandrovich wrote: The aim of scons is to replace gnu build system, but what are the weak sides of gnu build system? So far, scons is an exotic niche

Re: kde moves to scons. The future of autotools?

2005-09-16 Thread Harlan Stenn
As long as we can guarantee that one can compile a shell that supports the functionality that auto* needs I'm fine with that. I still get to support lots of ancient (ultrix, OSF/1, etc) systems. If this shell configures with auto*, there is also a bootstrap problem. H

Re: kde moves to scons. The future of autotools?

2005-09-15 Thread Peter Volkov Alexandrovich
Thank you Bob for your answer. On Срд, 2005-09-14 at 13:52 -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: The biggest weakness of the GNU build system (as well as one of its major strengths) is that it makes no assumptions about the installation environment. Rather than assuming/reqiring that certain

Re: kde moves to scons. The future of autotools?

2005-09-15 Thread Didier Verna
Bob Friesenhahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest weakness of the GNU build system is that it makes no assumptions about the installation environment. Funny. To me it's the biggest strength. AFAIC, the biggest weaknesses of the GNU build system are: 1/ to use something as rotten

kde moves to scons. The future of autotools?

2005-09-14 Thread Peter Volkov Alexandrovich
Hello. Yes. A bit provocative subject, but I dare to ask your opinions, guys, about scons build system. What do you think about it? Is it worth to change autotools? The aim of scons is to replace gnu build system, but what are the weak sides of gnu build system? Yes I know it's rather complex

Re: kde moves to scons. The future of autotools?

2005-09-14 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Peter Volkov Alexandrovich wrote: The aim of scons is to replace gnu build system, but what are the weak sides of gnu build system? Yes I know it's rather complex and do not use md5sum to check for changed files but autotools is time-tested solution. Could scons replace