bug#7451: Better name for $(AM_V_at)?

2010-11-21 Thread Stefano Lattarini
severity 7451 whishlist Re-labelling the bug report as whishlist, which is more appropriate. Sorry for not having done that right away. Regards, Stefano

Automake AM_COND_IF problem: libopts/Makefile.in split personality

2010-11-21 Thread Dave Hart
I've put together a stripped-down example of a problem currently beguiling Harlan Stenn and myself with Automake used in the NTP reference implementation: http://support.ntp.org/people/hart/am-libopts-subpkg.tar.gz The layout is: am-libopts-subpkg/ configure.ac Makefile.am top.c

Re: default -g ??!?

2010-11-21 Thread MK
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:07:31 +0900 Miles Bader mi...@gnu.org wrote: MK halfcountp...@intergate.com writes: If you say so, then I guess I am imagining things ;) I have never given the issue much thought until now, I suppose I need to do a bit more research on the issue. Indeed, it's

reword documentation about symbol stripping (was: default -g ??!?)

2010-11-21 Thread Ralf Wildenhues
[ adding bug-standards; this thread is from http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/automake/2010-11/msg00114.html ] * MK wrote on Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 04:47:48PM CET: On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:07:31 +0900 Miles Bader wrote: Indeed, it's often a good idea to do the research _before_ posting

Re: reword documentation about symbol stripping (was: default -g ??!?)

2010-11-21 Thread MK
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 17:44:10 +0100 Ralf Wildenhues ralf.wildenh...@gmx.de wrote: Oh well. This thread has been so noisy and unproductive, maybe we should seize the opportunity to take a bit of good away from it. Karl, what do you think about this rewording (against the gnulib copy of

on Windows, BUILT_SOURCES does not append .exe

2010-11-21 Thread Vincent Torri
Hey, I use: noinst_PROGRAMS = cmapdump fontdump BUILT_SOURCES = cmapdump fontdump With MSYS, noinst_PROGRAMS is set to cmapdump$(EXEEXT) fontdump$(EXEEXT) but BUILT_SOURCES is set to cmapdump fontdump Is it normal that BUILT_SOURCES does not try to see if they are binaries in some

Re: on Windows, BUILT_SOURCES does not append .exe

2010-11-21 Thread Ralf Wildenhues
Hello Vincent, * Vincent Torri wrote on Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:51:53PM CET: noinst_PROGRAMS = cmapdump fontdump BUILT_SOURCES = cmapdump fontdump With MSYS, noinst_PROGRAMS is set to cmapdump$(EXEEXT) fontdump$(EXEEXT) but BUILT_SOURCES is set to cmapdump fontdump Is it normal

Re: on Windows, BUILT_SOURCES does not append .exe

2010-11-21 Thread Vincent Torri
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Ralf Wildenhues wrote: Hello Vincent, * Vincent Torri wrote on Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:51:53PM CET: noinst_PROGRAMS = cmapdump fontdump BUILT_SOURCES = cmapdump fontdump With MSYS, noinst_PROGRAMS is set to cmapdump$(EXEEXT) fontdump$(EXEEXT) but BUILT_SOURCES is set

Re: default -g ??!?

2010-11-21 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
The reason why users are helpless without debugging symbols is if a program crashes, all they can look at are the machine registers at the state of the crash. This is completely useless for figuring out why the program crashed, or getting help from another hacker to figure out why it crashed.

Re: on Windows, BUILT_SOURCES does not append .exe

2010-11-21 Thread Ralf Wildenhues
* Vincent Torri wrote on Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:14:23PM CET: noinst_PROGRAMS = cmapdump cmapdump_SOURCES = mupdf-0.7/mupdf/cmapdump.c noinst_LTLIBRARIES = libfitz.la libdraw.la libcmaps.la libfonts.la libmupdf.la cmap_tounicode_files = \ mupdf-0.7/cmaps/Adobe-CNS1-UCS2 \ [...]

Re: on Windows, BUILT_SOURCES does not append .exe

2010-11-21 Thread Vincent Torri
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Ralf Wildenhues wrote: * Vincent Torri wrote on Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:14:23PM CET: noinst_PROGRAMS = cmapdump cmapdump_SOURCES = mupdf-0.7/mupdf/cmapdump.c noinst_LTLIBRARIES = libfitz.la libdraw.la libcmaps.la libfonts.la libmupdf.la cmap_tounicode_files = \

Re: reword documentation about symbol stripping (was: default -g ??!?)

2010-11-21 Thread Karl Berry
Karl, what do you think about this rewording The second hunk adds real information, so I'll go ahead and install that. The first hunk, though, I just can't agree with, and I feel pretty sure that rms would not approve of such a change either. Helpless is a good description of people faced

Re: reword documentation about symbol stripping

2010-11-21 Thread John Calcote
You need to remember the original target audience of GNU software was a group of people that wanted to share free software. Most of them were students or researchers that generally built software distributed in source form. Only in the last 10 years has Linux become generally popular. Before that

Re: on Windows, BUILT_SOURCES does not append .exe

2010-11-21 Thread Dave Hart
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 22:44 UTC, Vincent Torri vto...@univ-evry.fr wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Ralf Wildenhues wrote: * Vincent Torri wrote on Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:14:23PM CET: If I don't use BUILT_SOURCES, cmapdump binary is not built before libcmaps, hence cmap_tounicode.c is not

Re: reword documentation about symbol stripping

2010-11-21 Thread Miles Bader
John Calcote john.calc...@gmail.com writes: You need to remember the original target audience of GNU software was a group of people that wanted to share free software. Most of them were students or researchers that generally built software distributed in source form. ... That being the case,

Re: reword documentation about symbol stripping

2010-11-21 Thread Miles Bader
k...@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) writes: I personally would not have written it that way in the first place, but given that it is there now, I don't want to simply replace it with bland text, or occupy rms's time with it, either. Yeah, I think there's nothing particularly offensive about that

Re: on Windows, BUILT_SOURCES does not append .exe

2010-11-21 Thread Ralf Wildenhues
* Dave Hart wrote on Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:34:47AM CET: On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 22:44 UTC, Vincent Torri vto...@univ-evry.fr wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Ralf Wildenhues wrote: * Vincent Torri wrote on Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:14:23PM CET: If I don't use BUILT_SOURCES, cmapdump binary is