Re: Future plans for Autotools

2021-01-21 Thread Tom Tromey
> "Gavin" == Gavin Smith writes: Gavin> I remember somebody was Gavin> complaining about this page: Gavin> https://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/Program-and-Library-Variables.html Gavin> and asking what "maude" meant - it turned out it was the name of the Gavin> dog or

Re: Future plans for Autotools

2021-01-21 Thread Paul Eggert
On 1/21/21 8:01 AM, Zack Weinberg wrote: I know that at least one person has tried to write a set of GNU Make library files intended to replace it altogether, but I've never seen anyone *finish* that project. I'd very much like to see someone give that another go. GNU Emacs never used

Re: Future plans for Autotools

2021-01-21 Thread Andy Tai
My two cents: the competing build systems, cmake, meson, have in their "features" (and major motivation for their original development) of supporting Xcode and Microsoft Visual Studio. Supporting for these seem to become necessary for GNU Autotools to compete, even if these two may be outside

Re: Future plans for Autotools

2021-01-21 Thread John Calcote
Zack, On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 9:12 AM Zack Weinberg wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 5:15 PM Zack Weinberg wrote: > > Now we've all had a while to recover from the long-awaited Autoconf > > 2.70 release, I'd like to start a conversation about where the > > Autotools in general might be going

Re: Future plans for Autotools

2021-01-21 Thread Gavin Smith
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 11:01:34AM -0500, Zack Weinberg wrote: > Having said that, switching to *anything else* would be a gigantic > task -- multiple full-time person-years of effort just for the core -- > and would mean either porting or losing all of the third-party macro > libraries. I don't

Re: Future plans for Autotools

2021-01-21 Thread Zack Weinberg
On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 5:15 PM Zack Weinberg wrote: > Now we've all had a while to recover from the long-awaited Autoconf > 2.70 release, I'd like to start a conversation about where the > Autotools in general might be going in the future. > Now we've all had a while to recover from the

Re: Future plans for Autotools

2021-01-21 Thread Russell Shaw
On 21/1/21 9:15 am, Zack Weinberg wrote: Now we've all had a while to recover from the long-awaited Autoconf 2.70 release, I'd like to start a conversation about where the Autotools in general might be going in the future. Clearly any future development depends on finding people who will do the