If I could chime in on this... I see a need for a production quality standalone Axis2 server. To assume that users of a web service are content using Tomcat or some other J2EE container may be incorrect. From personal experience, I have seen customers that have sworn allegiance to one container or another and need our web service to run in their environment. This means mimicking multiple environments to test our web services which is time and resource intensive. A production caliber standalone Axis2 container would alleviate the need for this additional resource drain and simplify technical support.
Thanks, Ted Demetris G wrote: > > > Exactly ... thanks for the good feedback Anne and Amila. > > Anne Thomas Manes wrote: >> You'll find this to be the case with most open source projects -- why >> reimplement the application container capability again when systems >> like Tomcat already exist? The Axis and Axis2 teams are focusing on >> solving a different problem -- processing and dispatching XML >> messaging requests. The projects are designed to run in any Java EE or >> servlet engine. >> >> If you do find a commercial or open source project that includes an >> application container, most likely it includes a copy of Tomcat or >> Jetty or it is built on a Java EE app server. >> >> Axis does support a stand-alone runtime mode, but it is intended only >> for testing purposes, not for production runtime. >> >> Anne >> >> On 9/19/07, Demetris G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> In other words - and excuse the multiple emails on this - although I do >>> have a good understanding on how >>> Axis and Axis2 work, my point is that I noticed in the literature that >>> some researchers are using the wrong >>> terminology to explain their functionality that confuses some people. >>> These projects are the implementations >>> of the SOAP (and REST processing) specifications, they can expose WS and >>> process their communications >>> with the world. What people should understand is that the service >>> implementations are not really "contained" >>> in these engines and thus the Tomcats etc. Well in any case, thanks for >>> the feedback Amila. >>> >>> Demetris G wrote: >>> >>>> Would you say the same for Axis ? Axis can be used as a standalone web >>>> services container - yes ? >>>> If not then we have people publishing papers on that that may have it >>>> wrong. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Demetris G wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's what I thought :) Thanks Amila. >>>>> >>>>> Amila Suriarachchi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/19/07, *Amila Suriarachchi* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/18/07, *Demetris G* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So hold on a sec - Amila, are you saying that Axis2 is not >>>>>> considered a >>>>>> stable and reliable enough >>>>>> standalone web service container >>>>>> >>>>>> Axis2 is not a web service container. Axis2 is a soap and REST >>>>>> message processor which supports WS*. Axis2 is a stable product. >>>>>> Basically it concentrates on Soap and REST message processing. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry I mean It is not a standalone web application container. It >>>>>> alows users to deploy web services and expose them with the soap and >>>>>> REST message processing capabilities. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> and it should always be deployed within >>>>>> other proven >>>>>> containers (i.e. Tomcat etc.)? >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes this is the recommended way. if you want an standalone >>>>>> server >>>>>> you can use >>>>>> WSAS ( http://wso2.com/products/wsas/) which uses the axis2 and >>>>>> embedded tomcat server. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is this the case only for Axis2 or also >>>>>> Axis? Where is this documented? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Amila Suriarachchi wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On 9/18/07, *Marko Simic* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> > <mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Since the only "remote part" of application is single >>>>>> web >>>>>> service >>>>>> > I thought >>>>>> > it would be much easer for deployment/management to >>>>>> deploy >>>>>> > preconfigured >>>>>> > standalone dedicated server. Also it could take less >>>>>> memory and >>>>>> > performance >>>>>> > could be better. >>>>>> > Anyway, these are only assumptions = something that >>>>>> should be tested. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > If you think I am wrong, I would like to hear why and >>>>>> what you may >>>>>> > suggest. >>>>>> > Thanks. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Tomcat is a statble web service container that handle many >>>>>> concorrent >>>>>> > requests and performs well. >>>>>> > But on the other hand simple http server is not that much >>>>>> tested and >>>>>> > mainly for testing purposes. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > So the suggestion is to keep tomcat. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Amila. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Regards, >>>>>> > Marko Simic >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Amila Suriarachchi wrote: >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > On 9/17/07, Marko Simic < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> > <mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> I am currently working on migration from AXIS2 >>>>>> deployed in >>>>>> > Tomcat to >>>>>> > >> standalone version. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > why you want to do this? >>>>>> > > I think it is not a good idea to put simple http >>>>>> server in >>>>>> > production >>>>>> > > use. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Can someone, please, advise me: >>>>>> > >> 1. How to solve database communication problem(s) >>>>>> > >> a) While it was working within Tomcat context we >>>>>> were >>>>>> using >>>>>> > DataSources >>>>>> > >> and >>>>>> > >> just passing its names to web services. Question >>>>>> is: is it >>>>>> > possible to do >>>>>> > >> in >>>>>> > >> the same manner (and how) or we need to use some >>>>>> other >>>>>> approach. >>>>>> > >> b) we were using basic web service access >>>>>> authentication and >>>>>> > user list >>>>>> > >> was >>>>>> > >> stored in mysql database. >>>>>> > >> Question is how to translate/bridge Realms and >>>>>> authentication >>>>>> > methods >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Thank you in advance, >>>>>> > >> Marko Simic >>>>>> > >> Soft Division >>>>>> > >> -- >>>>>> > >> View this message in context: >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Migrating-from-Tomcat-AXIS2-to-Standalone-AXIS2-tf4467094.html#a12736804 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://www.nabble.com/Migrating-from-Tomcat-AXIS2-to-Standalone-AXIS2-tf4467094.html#a12736804> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> Sent from the Axis - User mailing list archive at >>>>>> Nabble.com <http://Nabble.com> >>>>>> > < http://Nabble.com>. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>>>>> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > -- >>>>>> > > Amila Suriarachchi, >>>>>> > > WSO2 Inc. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > View this message in context: >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Migrating-from-Tomcat-AXIS2-to-Standalone-AXIS2-tf4467094.html#a12750580 >>>>>> >>>>>> > < >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Migrating-from-Tomcat-AXIS2-to-Standalone-AXIS2-tf4467094.html#a12750580 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://www.nabble.com/Migrating-from-Tomcat-AXIS2-to-Standalone-AXIS2-tf4467094.html#a12750580>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > Sent from the Axis - User mailing list archive at >>>>>> Nabble.com <http://Nabble.com> >>>>>> > < http://Nabble.com>. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> > <mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>>>>> > For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> > <mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > Amila Suriarachchi, >>>>>> > WSO2 Inc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Amila Suriarachchi, >>>>>> WSO2 Inc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Amila Suriarachchi, >>>>>> WSO2 Inc. >>>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Migrating-from-Tomcat-AXIS2-to-Standalone-AXIS2-tf4467094.html#a13000387 Sent from the Axis - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
