Hello people,
My email may be asynchronous but i barely could follow this thread, yet i
wanted to say a few words on it since i fell on an interesting bug today on
launchpad.
My understanding of indicator-applet is that it is designed for apps-to-user
communication and apparently only used by
On 16/06/2009 Ryan Prior wrote:
I don't see the popups as intrusive. No information is being sent
outside the computer. A window is being opened so that you see it,
because it very important and it absolutely needs your attention. It's
not as though some foreign entity is intruding upon your
Given that there is another dup of the long queue issue, I'm cc'ing
the Ayatana list.
Ayatana team, for reference:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/357150
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/334809
MPT, can you point to a spec for the 9.10 queue throttling behaviour,
that captures the ideas
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.comwrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:40:12 +0530 mac_v drkv...@yahoo.com wrote:
...
It is accepted that the icon is NOT very useful and also ignored
...
I have to disagree. This has been repeatedly asserted, but I don't recall
Paulo J. S. Silva wrote:
mac_v,
You raised very interesting point that the possibility of applications
asking the user for root access without proving themselves as real
system applications is a security risk. However I do not think the orage
icon can solve this problem. It is true that a
Forwarding to the list.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Alex Launi alex.la...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update
manager])
To: Natan Yellin aan...@gmail.com
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Natan
On 16/06/2009 Natan Yellin wrote:
A few websites use a similar trick and display a custom image which
the user chooses. I think it's a bit of a better solution than using
a phrase, because people are more likely to notice if it changes.
Hmm, if I enter fatti non fummo a viver come bruti and
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
It's not offtopic in my opinion as exactly this machinery could be used
in the infamous popup to address the concern of many, but can be moved
elsewhere or dropped if it has obvious flaws that I don't see.
Oh ! no! Pls not in the pop-up... pop-up idea should be
I would definitely enjoy having that accessible as a user...while things are
far from bad the way they are in terms of hardware/system...there are often
those times I have to pause and remember the Gnome, way of getting to that
particular menu or function...
Would love to see what you have in
Alex Launi wrote:
David Siegel also had a really great idea for making updates fun (and it
also solves the issue of how to handle updates- notification icon or
pop-under window) at the install updates on shutdown discussion. Let me
preface this with these are his ideas and not mine, I think
Il giorno mar, 16/06/2009 alle 17.17 +0200, Martín Soto ha scritto:
Would you mind showing us some evidence of said overwhelmingly
negatively reaction?
From what I've seen on the mailing lists so far, those complaining
about the update pop-under mostly belong to a small, yet very
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:09:24 +0200
Alex Launi alex.la...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM, tacone tac...@gmail.com wrote:
Good intent, bad idea.
I disagree, let's imagine this scenario, together...
blur and wiggle dream sequence style scene change
It's Tuesday
...This was hilarious, sexy librarians and all...
Me personally, I don't have a *huge *issue presenting updates at the
beginning of a log-in sequence. As a user, you know they are there, and you
either ignore or proceed.
I can't help but think though, that when I login to my desktop normally,
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.com
wrote:
What about those who use an autologin? They will never see those gdm
screens.
Like I said, update-manager doesn't go away. It just gets more or less
deprecated for most users. For this small subset we just
Would you mind showing us some evidence of said overwhelmingly negatively
reaction? From what I've seen on the mailing lists so far, those complaining
about the update pop-under mostly belong to a small, yet very vocal group of
power users.
Are you joking ?
Count the unique users on this
Awesome, right?
Not sure about what your whole reply meant.
I think that notifying on startup has many disadvantage and it's not
applicable in some cases (kernel upgrades, autologin).
It's not wonder windows why asks for it at the shutdown.
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I figured I should start a new thread for this, so that you can all continue
your icon vs. pop-under debate, which is still relevant for the auto-login
case, although it becomes much less important. I've copied and pasted the
relevant posts from the previous thread into this one. Have at it.
Em Ter, 2009-06-16 às 15:48 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia escreveu:
On 16/06/2009 Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
Ted Gould has been a proponent of a system / hardware indicator, and
I've been working on how to handle things like USB-unmount and
Bluetooth-connect and am coming round to the idea.
Alex Launi wrote:
I disagree, let's imagine this scenario, together...
blur and wiggle dream sequence end style change
The whole dream assumes that the downloads are already
downloaded/quickly downloaded...
Consider users with slow connections, so the downloads take time to be
initially
2009/6/16 Vincenzo Ciancia cian...@di.unipi.it
Please, let's keep the this is something that only power user
like/dislike old argument out of this discussion. I see this is not
your intention, but as we are all power users this is an effective
dialectic technique to lower the value of our
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:31:54 +0200 Martín Soto dons...@gmail.com wrote:
This is the reason why I was asking
Scott to produce some explicit evidence, because, so far, I have the
impression he's mostly speaking based on his own feelings. I may be wrong
about this, of course.
You are. I have tried
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 8:06 PM, mac_v drkv...@yahoo.com wrote:
AFAIK Auto downloads of the updates is far worse!
1: user might be using 3G at some point where the downloads cost a lot!
2: downloads while i'm watching streaming video content would cause the
lags in my videos which i would
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 14:21 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
Ted Gould has been a proponent of a system / hardware indicator, and
I've been working on how to handle things like USB-unmount and
Bluetooth-connect and am coming round to the idea. What do you guys
think? If there's support for
We should definitely consider as many update scenarios as possible in order
to find the one that users will prefer. We are very quick to start
implementing updates and shut down without considering something radically
different because many of us have experiences updates at shutdown when using
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