The Forums thread at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1862661 is
essentially correct - the relationship between Workspaces and the rest
of Unity is inconsistent. That's simply because we have not yet got to
implement Workspaces the way we'd like, and what's currently shipping is
the
Hi Jeremy, thanks for your mail.
On 02/08/11 00:35, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
Since I help out on the Documentation Team, I value clear user
interface terminology so that users, powerusers, and maybe even
developers can use the same, understandable language. The old session
menu name became unclear
On 28/07/11 22:20, Evan Huus wrote:
Admittedly, I've never used the spatial alternative proposed here, but
I imagine it would be much nicer if I could know 'four tabs is app X'
all the time, rather than, 'four tabs is the
fourth-most-recently-used, which was, uh, what again?'
Then you might
It's a lovely idea, and three consecutive designers have dashed
themselves on the rocks trying to get it right. I'd be thrilled if
someone could do better!
Here's what we found each time we tried it:
*The launcher is spatial, the alt-tab is logical.* The alt-tab works
best when it is a
Let's see what people who try it have to say. Don't worry if there is
negative feedback, that's what exploring and testing are all about.
Thanks for making the testable mockup.
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Hello again,
http://unity.exemo.net/
A great start for testing, thanks!
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On 08/03/11 14:14, Marc Lajoie wrote:
If I had a say (which I don't), I'd have a two-sided dock: on one
side, the application buttons, on the other, the function buttons.
The Ubuntu button would flip the dock over (perhaps with a pretty
revolving animation!). See the attached mockup.
Of
On 07/03/11 11:06, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Mark,
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 08:16, Mark Shuttleworth
mark.shuttlewo...@canonical.com
mailto:mark.shuttlewo...@canonical.com wrote:
The dash / launcher can be revealed with a 4-drag from left to
right on touch devices
On 06/03/11 22:02, Martín A. Casco wrote:
Click on Ubuntu's Icon for some shortcuts, lets see.. Apps (we an icon
on Launcher for that); Files and Folders (same situation that Apps);
then, Banshee (Sound Menu or Launcher if we want), Web Browser
(include on Launcher out of the box), Shotwell
On 22/02/11 13:28, John Lea wrote:
I think there are two different interactions we can implement here,
one that is mostly additional functionality and a second that needs
further thought and visual design treatment.
---
1) Find all apps that can open a
On 22/01/11 17:05, Karel Karlitos Macha jr. wrote:
I would like to ask if there is a possibility - for example with appmenu-gtk
API - to let the application menus disappear without the need of starting
indicator applet.
I am developping a Linux based kiosk for older people and the
On 18/01/11 18:09, Conscious User wrote:
They are very different things, and a design that works well for one
will hardly ever work well for the other.
I'm a little bit confused now because Mark's blog post about Unity
clearly stated that some design decisions were motivated by touch
We're experimenting with different uses of the backlight. For example,
we'd like to experiment with using that to show focus in the keyboard
navigation case (Alt-F1). I don't think running is useful, given we
already have the symbolic pips, and I think there are risks to changing
the look of the
Great suggestions all! How about this:
- if no app on the launcher can handle this type, and there is a
default launcher, we put it at the bottom (where it would launch) and
wiggle it to call attention to it
- we also allow drag to the apps place, which would open (on hover)
with the top
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When maximised, they go into the panel, on the right, left of any
app-indicators.
Can we can assume from this that per-application functions
On 20/02/11 18:39, Mitja Pagon wrote:
Using the example of volume control mentioned below, am I the only one
who thinks windicators make little sense and are in fact bad UX.
No, of course you are not the only person, there's lots of dissent,
which is fine and stimulates discussion to get a
Minimize is really hide. It means keep this window alive, but get
it out of my desktop view. The window is still in every sense part of
the working set of windows, so it should show up in glorious
technicolour during things like spread and alt-tab.
Sam, would you make it so? It sounds like
I agree, we don't need pre-emptive downloading of packages without an
explicit user request for installation.
On 13/12/10 11:52, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
Like apt-get, USC installs recommended items by default, though you can
uncheck them in the Add-ons section if you want to.
No doubt it's
On 13/12/10 17:17, Spike Burch wrote:
What I would do, although this is duplicating effort in the long run,
is write a 2d version of unity using EFL, just like they did with the
old netbook interface
That's what I would do too :-)
For 11.04, the focus is on getting Unity-with-GL as good as we
On 19/12/10 17:22, Mirek M. wrote:
*The whole left side of the screen would be devoted to the current
application*
Right now, you get some system-related commands on the right of the
top panel, application-related commands on the left, and some more
system-related commands on the far left.
On 31/12/10 11:02, Conscious User wrote:
I'm curious with respect to the appmenu compatibility goals
targeted for Natty. So far there are some important apps
non-compatible with it:
XUL apps
[Open,Libre]Office
Swing apps
SWT apps
MonoDevelop
I know that XUL is being worked on, but I
Apoorva posted the correct item, which is the desired design for the
network indicator. We're currently implementing that, with Connection
Manager as a backend. It's not ready for prime time, but chat to Kalle
Valo if you're interested in helping out.
Mark
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On 10/12/10 06:52, Shane Fagan wrote:
On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 12:04 +0530, Owais Lone wrote:
Just wanted to check. Are Windicators targeted for Natty? How much
work has been done? What if I wanted to play with it a little?
No there was no talk about anything unless canonical have it going on
For completeness on this thread, I'd like to say:
- yes, we should show a close button on window previews in our spreads
- it should only be the close button, none of the other window controls
are relevant
- it should only appear on mouse proximity (fallback - mouseover,
prefer - fade-in with
On 17/10/10 11:39, Vishnoo wrote:
Is there a reason Unity's Launcher has tooltips for applications and
places? [While Application icons could be considered as unrecognizable,
Places icons are our custom icons so they should atleast be a bit
recognizable.Still not sure how these tooltips are
On 17/11/10 20:30, Carsten Agger wrote:
That may be inconvenient, as people here mostly speak Danish, a tiny
language not understood outside our borders ... which means such
videos will be less useful for people in most of the world.
Well, multi-cultural testing is really valuable, as
On 04/01/11 02:44, Shane Fagan wrote:
On the design of the windicators, how exactly do they fit? Im not really
getting a good image in my head about how they will be fitting in since
the area that they were supposed to be put into is going to be removed
for maximized windows.
When maximised,
On 22/12/10 04:53, Frederik Nnaji wrote:
On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 17:10 +0100, zekopeko wrote:
I think that a decent solution for 11.04 would be to create a
temporary workspace for the fullscreen app so that it shows in the
Expo (Workspace switcher) mode but once the app is un-fullscreen-ed it
On 21/12/10 22:47, Carl Simpson wrote:
Isn't it still confusing that you have disabled window controls near
the menus for, and the name of, the active window? That tells me that
I can't maximise, minimise or close the active window. This is a
message that conflicts with that given by the
We definitely need a natural way to move between full screen (no
panel) and panelled mode, across multiple apps. And perhaps we need a
good way for things like indicators to show up at appropriate times,
when the panel is not being displayed.
So kudos to the Elementary team for their
On 16/12/10 12:56, Martín A. Casco wrote:
There is an interesting mail here about unifying Messaging Menu and Me
Menu... for example, launch empathy (or Pidgin if installed) from
Messaging Menu, see contacts chats from messaging menu, but if we want
to set quickly our chat status we have tu
On 09/09/10 11:00, Frederik Nnaji wrote:
I was hoping Mission Control 5 in Telepathy would make it possible to
change back to online, away or busy, even when Empathy says my
accounts are offline.
Another thing is, that i'm being logged out, not sent offline. My
computer is still online, it's
On 16/09/10 16:25, Conscious User wrote:
Le jeudi 16 septembre 2010 à 13:29 +0100, Luke Benstead a écrit :
On 15 September 2010 17:25, Greg K Nicholson g...@gkn.me.uk wrote:
On 15 September 2010 16:54, Conscious User
consciousu...@aol.com wrote:
I know it's the space
On 16/12/10 18:42, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi SABDFL,
Yikes, that's much better in lowercase. In upper, it's more D than :-D
This has probably been lying around for so long, because of design
conflicts with how the Ayatana subsystem is currently wired.
* Presence has no local effect
On 09/12/10 10:59, Didier Roche wrote:
Le jeudi 09 décembre 2010 à 18:55 +0800, Sam Spilsbury a écrit :
Hi,
I was doing some work on the snap windows plugin for compiz and I was
wondering if it is the correct behaviour design wise to allow windows
to move underneath the launcher and the
On 09/12/10 17:43, Sam Spilsbury wrote:
My idea was this:
1) On the intellihide case:
[...]
- When resizing a window, if the resize border touches the launcher,
it goes away, easy
I'd like to see a proximity push in this case. When the window is
brought close to the launcher, we start to
On 11/11/10 12:21, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote:
and yeah.. the speaker icons to the left and to the right of the
volume slider should receive visual focus on hover, according to how i
understand consistency in the careful treatment of threefold
horizontal control elements in Sound Menu..
On 09/11/10 20:05, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Mark,
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 20:21, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com
mailto:m...@ubuntu.com wrote:
On 09/11/10 01:36, frederik.nn...@gmail.com
mailto:frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 15:54, Mark
On 09/11/10 20:39, Jeremy Nickurak wrote:
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 13:31, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com
mailto:m...@ubuntu.com wrote:
On 09/11/10 20:07, Jeremy Nickurak wrote:
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:21, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com
mailto:m...@ubuntu.com wrote
I'm replying both to the bug, and to the Ayatana list, about the
suggestion exemplified in the mockup at
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/58399971/Launcher%20d.png
First, thanks David for a very interesting idea, and for expressing it
in a series of mockups that let people get a visual handle on
Icon guidelines for these should specify that they use the left middle
pixel, and go right from there. THat way, the triangle always touches.
Mark
--
https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/indicator-messages/fixes-to-right-label-and-icon-dimension/+merge/37272
Your team ayatana-commits is
On 07/10/10 22:46, Ted Gould wrote:
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 21:51 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
Icon guidelines for these should specify that they use the left middle
pixel, and go right from there. THat way, the triangle always touches.
Should we shift them if not? We don't replace all
On 09/09/10 13:20, Vishnoo wrote:
I dont think there is a bug regarding that color change either.. Someone
should first file the bug. :)
Done at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/indicator-session/+bug/634003
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On 05/09/10 06:07, Martin Owens wrote:
Well you know how gullible I am for making things for free ;-), here you
go your feature request has been granted:
http://doctormo.org/2010/09/04/whoa-wheres-it-going/
That rocks very hard indeed!
Can you send me some sample SVG's so I can get a feel
On 03/09/10 21:44, Diego Moya wrote:
One word of warning - if this feature finally gets included in
Ubuntu, please make sure that the orange highlights are always kept
subtle and never run out of control.
In Owens' demo the generated wallpaper looks great mainly because it
contains very
Thanks Vish for reminding folks of the importance of respect when
providing feedback. As Ubuntu grows, it's necessary for calm heads to
constantly remind newer folks of the core values of the project,
otherwise we'll lose the gravity that holds our galaxy together, so to
speak. The Code of
On 03/09/10 05:12, David Hamm wrote:
It may have taken years to make the first Elvis Sandwich, but no one
can deny its tastiness.* *
*
*
If however we are trying to achieve an orgasm then, well, you guys
are on your own.
And back to the topic, please ;)
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Martin hit the nail on the head - the gap between what's on the CD, what
works in practice, and the SVG standard, is rather wide.
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On 20/08/10 15:17, Christian Giordano wrote:
Shouldn't we promote our style guides? Sure they probably don't
include video editing/transitions etc, but the typography of some of
those videos is just too inconsistent.
Yes, we should. The wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMovies
says
On 20/08/10 17:55, Shane Fagan wrote:
Well I think it would be fun to put some of the high quality ones on
the front page of ubuntu.com http://ubuntu.com using HTM5 video
embedding.
We can do that for release if we get something stunning.
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On 21/08/10 07:49, Lisandro Vaccaro wrote:
We can also make a youtube site and gather all the videos and put the
winner on the main page. I have been thinking on it for some time. We
could also have something like the best video of the month and have it
always on the main page and keep it
On 20/08/10 18:54, Jake Tolbert wrote:
This is an interesting question that I'd like some perspective on (as
a bit of an outsider to Canonical, but part of the FLOSS community):
where does Canonical a/o Ubuntu's responsibility to maintain the
Ubuntu brand end?
As a marketer in a rather
Joern, that looks really interesting!
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On 08/08/10 20:49, Apoorva Sharma wrote:
I like all these ideas, but why not do what KDE4 did, and present a
desktop of files, a zeitgeist timeline, etc. as widgets, so you could
have access to files and useful information?
I do think a gadget story is interesting. There's no really
On 12/08/10 07:52, Frederik Nnaji wrote:
for the advantages the new Places will bring it might be an attractive
undertaking, yet the primary place for contacts IMO should be the
human memory, where the most valuable and important contacts are
permanently being kept alive through human social
On 19/08/10 10:48, Allan Caeg wrote:
That could work for Unity (though I'm not very familiar with it), but
we also have to think about other platforms. Got to think about
something that will work upstream (GNOME).
Ah, you touch on my sensitivities!
From our perspective, Unity is upstream,
On 19/08/10 12:54, Allan Caeg wrote:
Oops! That's not what I meant, good sir! I just wanted to make sure
that we're not forgetting other platforms. I love what you and the
rest of the Ubuntu team do. We sometimes just have miscommunications
because of semantics and stuff.
Perhaps, what I
Hi Chris
Thanks for the pointer to the sound theme, here are some comments:
In general, I think we want something lighter, more ethereal. Quite a
number of the instruments seemed to be full-bodied, more like piano's
than harpsichords, if you know what I mean.
The -connect-3 and -disconnect-3
On 03/08/10 20:25, Matt Wheeler wrote:
In reality (as ScottK has already mentioned) only Firefox *needs* a
restart after an update, everything else will just continue to run the
slightly out of date version until you get around to restarting it.
Boy, I wish we could tell Firefox to save
On 03/08/10 22:54, S. Christian Collins wrote:
Thanks for the pointers, Mark! They will give me a much clearer idea
of what you all are looking for in a sound theme.
Well I'm just one opinion, there are others with better musical taste in
the room I'm sure ;-)
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On 04/08/10 02:44, Dylan McCall wrote:
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/soundmenu.png
That position indicator has stuff going on on both sides and the number
of the left side is continually ticking. It contributes to that music
player element looking big, bulky and
I blogged about the layout of the track metadata in sound indicator at
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/446
With a mockup like:
In comments on the post, Mike Rooney pointed me to a thread that
included
http://picasaweb.google.com/100804433705878937883/Mockups#5493946264489470306
On 31/07/10 10:38, Mohammed Amine IL Idrissi wrote:
(Sorry if this has been asked before)
Hello,
Currently, the Sound Menu ellipses the track name in the middle. Why's
that? Ellipsizing in the middle creates confusion: for example,
Casiokids - Min Siste Dag becomes Casioki...ste Dag, which
On 30/07/10 16:44, Luke Benstead wrote:
The red indicator has been a bug bear of mine for a while, red is far
to severe a colour for something that isn't an error condition. I'd
again suggest blue for information, or at most an amber to indicate a
warning (I guess it's possible a kernel
On 30/07/10 19:24, Vishnoo wrote:
How about :
Restart To Apply Updates... or
Restart and Apply Updates...
Could do, yes. By then the updates have been installed, so I was looking
for language which indicated that the update process wasn't complete.
Mark
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On 30/07/10 20:01, Martin Owens wrote:
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 19:31 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
Could do, yes. By then the updates have been installed, so I was
looking
for language which indicated that the update process wasn't complete.
Could the level of warning not be directly
On 30/07/10 20:01, Martin Owens wrote:
Could the level of warning not be directly related to the severity of
the security problems in the update?
Also... we don't want to get too anorack about this. In theory, we could
use blue for informational updates, orange for low priority updates
and red
On 30/07/10 20:57, Vishnoo wrote:
Right , just wanted to mention that we dont need to use punctuations
or brackets in menus:
Restart To Complete Update...
[ or s/complete/finish or any synonym ]
Yes, that would fit nicely :-)
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David, I see only one state in the .gif, the rest seem blank. T-bird 3.1.1.
Mark
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On 08/07/10 00:10, Sam Spilsbury wrote:
Why exactly do we want the WM to be handling tabs here? Trying to do
tabbed applications within the window manager for the sake of having
tabs is a huge waste of memory, especially when the application itself
can already do tabs.
... the result is a
On 30/06/10 14:15, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
I agree that the F-Spot example isn't status; I couldn't think of
anything appropriate for that. :-)
Does F-Spot not have an online / offline mode yet?
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I would add that my first annoyance with this behavior is that I often
use the mouse pointer to point out something in a screenshot. Now I
must stay physically active to do so rather than just setting the
screenshot delay time properly, positioning the pointer, and waiting.
That's easy to
Hi MPT
If you're in the thick of things and don't have a chance to respond
that's fine, please just copy this into the Me-Menu-Nifty spec as a
placeholder for later discussion.
== Broadcast Message Feedback ==
In order to provide feedback on the success or failure of broadcast
messages and
On 06/07/10 02:02, Frederik Nnaji wrote:
I thought it didn't depend on window decoration anymore!?
Doesn't Global Menu read its items idenpendently already?
Our Global Menu requires the application to publish it's menu using a
protocol we have designed and implemented, over d-bus.
For Gtk and
On 06/07/10 08:49, Philipp Wendler wrote:
Hi,
Am 06.07.2010 08:41, schrieb Mark Shuttleworth:
Interesting questions. My gut feel would be:
- incoming IM notifications would be suppressed
- incoming calls would be displayed
Why the latter? When I put my cellphone in DND
On 07/07/10 09:29, Diego Moya wrote:
On 7 July 2010 07:32, Philipp Wendler wrote:
How would you handle the advanced application-specific features
related
to tabs? In Firefox for example, there are quite a few actions
when you
right-click on the tab bar:
- reload
On 06/07/10 02:09, Frederik Nnaji wrote:
Or will it have effect for social communication also?
How about incoming voice and video calls?
Do Not Disturb should be a system-exlusive mode?
Interesting questions. My gut feel would be:
- incoming IM notifications would be suppressed
- incoming
On 04/07/10 11:54, Sense Hofstede wrote:
The mock-ups for Firefox 4 seem also to be using CSD. That's the only
way I can think of to get that menu up there in the title bar.
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/4.0_Linux_Theme_Mockups
Indeed. Again, if we have a consistent solution for the
On 04/07/10 19:29, David Hamm wrote:
In 10.10, we'll take a big step forward in the netbook edition, by
moving the menu into the top panel and combining it with the titlebar
for maximised windows.
This will be very nice! Thanks Dev's. Defiantly going on my laptop,
even tho its 12, tabs
On 29/06/10 07:19, Conscious User wrote:
I think that makes two of two implementations that nicely illustrate the
concern that CSD is harmful for workspace consistency.
I have to agree on this one. Visual inconsistency is one of the oldest
complaints against Songbird.
I think
On 28/06/10 21:40, Apoorva Sharma wrote:
I really like the idea of having some sort of notification on a
successful broadcast from the memenu. However, I think that too much
color could be a problem. Thus, I propose the following:
* After the user stops writing the message, a spinner
On 28/06/10 03:34, Tyler Brainerd wrote:
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Allan Caeg allanc...@gmail.com
mailto:allanc...@gmail.com wrote:
Will indicator-network feel integrated with Indicator Applet and
Indicator Session? If indicator-network is right beside Indicator
Applet,
On 28/06/10 08:33, Martin Owens wrote:
Although I hear it'll unravel all the functionality for the evolution
calendar and task list as well as the handy locations and ability to
change locations from that menu.
In due course, similar capabilities will be added. But for the moment
it's
On 31/12/09 17:20, Conscious User wrote:
But *can* the current specification fix this for closed-source apps
like Skype? The reason I ask (and forgive me if I'm wrong) is that
Application Indicators seem to solve the problem of notification area
consistency but not the problem of notification
On 28/06/10 08:53, Conscious User wrote:
In due course, similar capabilities will be added. But for the moment
it's minimalist.
Here's me hoping that those similar capabilities will be implemented
in a neat d-bus service way which follows an app-independent protocol,
thus closing
On 25/06/10 08:49, Tyler Brainerd wrote:
From what I understand, a lot of these changes (for instance, the new
network manager) are and will continue to show up in the Unity
interface, before eventually making their way over to Desktop.
You'll be able to use our replacement for Network Manager
On 24/06/10 13:08, James Putt wrote:
So we need to think carefully about whether being offline is an alert
condition or not. I don't really think it is.
Neither do I :)
I think an error-based-offline is an alert condition. In other words, if
you set yourself to be Available, and
On 21/06/10 15:04, Frederik Nnaji wrote:
What GlobalMenu does, is to detect what the user is currently looking
at, then afford the respective controls for its manipulation.
The Sound Menu can also behave like this:
* Probe for focused media apps
* assign the most accessible volume fader to
On 21/06/10 10:42, James Putt wrote:
I agree colour is significant. I was considering that the top menu by
convention is monochromatic with certain colours having a particular
meaning, and how having different icons in the drop down menu to the
icons representing the menu would play out.
In
On 18/06/10 19:42, Sam Spilsbury wrote:
Do you need to interact with them during alt-tab? Remember that your
screen is grabbed and you are busy finding windows, not tweaking them.
I think, if we're going to expose them, we should enable them to be
interactive in order to keep them faithful to
On 18/06/10 13:18, Frederik Nnaji wrote:
On 2010-06-18, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote:
On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 23:34 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
On 31/03/10 18:51, Jim Rorie wrote:
From a bigger picture frame of reference, I was mulling a global do
no disturb state
On 18/06/10 15:00, Sam Spilsbury wrote:
Yes, perhaps show them at 1:1 scale as emblems on the window previews,
whatever the underlying window scale is for the reveal / alt-tab.
Mark
I would imagine with 24x24 icons you're going to have enough room for
about 4 of them on each window
Platform team is reviewing unclutter for inclusion in the default
install and session.
MPT, you might want to provide guidance on the upgrade experience - this
should be added to sessions after update.
Mark
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On 14/06/10 18:59, nickwinl...@comcast.net wrote:
My message is to the passive group or those who lurk.. Please note
that ``duped'' isn't a word. That is what you all should work on
fixing technologically and socially in the future, and not creating
new branches or nodes from the same tree
On 15/06/10 10:35, Luke Benstead wrote:
I thought about that, but AFAIK you can't have right clicking (perhaps
also double clicking) inside an indicator menu.
We could do a special-case for this.
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On 14/06/10 08:55, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
Frederik Nnaji wrote on 05/05/10 16:14:
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 02:24, Alex Launi alex.la...@gmail.com
mailto:alex.la...@gmail.com wrote:
I usually move my cursor completely out of view when I'm not using
it. I've definitely seen my
Just so folks are clear on direction:
- we would like to move to Connection Manager (connman) in due
course, for its cleaner, more pluggable, testable and maintainable
architecture
- we have a detailed, signed-off design for the indicator associated
with that at
On 09/06/10 19:23, Conscious User wrote:
Now, I'd feel a lot more confortable if someone steps
in and says a hung window can still be easily closed
when using CSD because of technical reasons X, Y and Z.
A hung window can still be easily closed when using CSD because the
position of the
On 09/06/10 18:02, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
Please tell me you are joking. After all the arguments I presented you still
think CSD is the road to go? You completely ignore my arguments, you actually
have not even read my arguments or you would know that some things like
closing hung windows or
On 10/06/10 04:20, Sam Spilsbury wrote:
That is a bad idea.
You cannot just say we're going to use [insert technology X], but
that does not matter since what we care about is design without
ignoring the many upstreams who will ultimately be incredibly upset by
that technical change for the
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