On 11/20/2011 10:57 PM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd love to see a special pie menu unfold, when a mouse drag is held
above a launcher button, dwelling.
How would that coexist with the ability to reorder Launcher items via
drag-and-drop?
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that users who don't need that explanation will trigger
it, when they have to interact with something that happens to be in the
notification spot. The faded-out notifications might barely manage to be
tolerable in such a situation, but an explanation popping up won't be.
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on the window, not the application level, Super-W might
serve your needs (Super also known as Windows key).
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the entire screen, while still
not being able to just throw the mouse to hit an icon in minimum time.
It really does come down to that the Launcher and often used target
areas in application windows should not share a screen edge.
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, to avoid an entire edge.
* To be clear, I do not recommend to get rid of the Launcher hiding
behavior, as screen space is too precious for that on anything but very
large displays (perhaps).
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marking menus:
http://www.autodeskresearch.com/publications/multitouchmm
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sets via shift-clicks.
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could take the roles of Activities. Like having a minimalist
file-and-widget manager window with wallpaper in each set.
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with the sets. But to not run into
trouble here, a size and position could be properties of windows. The
manual layout mode would use those, but tiling layout modes would ignore
them.
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differentiated from static dividers over their entire area, not just
marked in the middle, I think. Though the context of their occurrence
does help in any case.
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it's worth their time and have no problem to use the site.
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color, if you don't
restrict the background more tightly.
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that rather large text
size, the bottom 2 are unpleasant to look at.
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comment thread, but you
can't be bothered to even link them directly, even less repeat them here?
Let's see, up to 431 subscribers wading through a trainwreck of comment
thread vs one Ed Lin taking the time to present his case in a clear
fashion ...
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The perception is not limited to a first look. It includes what happens
during interaction. In this sense, hiding something only to reveal it at
some point does not make anything simpler.
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people do understand each other here. A lot
has been said that doesn't withstand even a little analysis and given
the terribly high noise level, it would be great if we could try to be
more careful, concise and exact.
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not intuit. It would be
intuitable, if at all.
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be improved here. I'm
sure being more careful and informed about our terminology is a requirement.
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doesn't, it should. The user should not have to care
at all, until they can benefit from this functionality, and even then
the interaction should be as minimal as possible.
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of a limited set of
the most frequently used. Like I said, the required focused thought
causes a blind-spot regarding time perception.
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the keyboard controls.
You can fool yourself regarding the efficiency of keyboard shortcuts
easily. You may have to think, recall shortcuts, which throws off your
sense of time. So it depends on training effects and what the
alternative means of interaction is, exactly.
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doing so with menus
inside app windows. Hiding menus until the mouse is in the panel turns
menus into something to discover, while before, they have been obvious.
Not to claim that there are no advantages to Unity's current ways,
obviously it's a question of weighting.
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the screen edge helps, not so
much back from the menu to the content area. This again should only make
a noticeable difference for windows that have their top in noteworthy
distance from the top panel.
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be an interesting _experiment_ to render non-maximized windows
sans menus, and have the menu slide in inside a window, once it gets and
for as long as it has focus. Or to avoid movement, switch between titles
and menus in the titlebars.
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breaks muscle memory. But you could just reserve the space
needed for the window buttons, leaving it empty, if a non-maximized
window is focused.
For the sake of completeness: Or treat the window buttons as part of the
menu in all cases, always as first elements even before File.
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, on observing my use of
shortcuts and quickly OK-ing dialogs with Enter ...).
Oh, and don't forget touch-screen interfaces.
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, or will it count as click on the widget, too?
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Furthermore, nested menus may well be the worst common GUI widgets have
to offer (even with some tricks to ease selection of sub-menu items, it
still tends to be frustrating).
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On 03/16/2011 02:59 PM, Lee Hyde wrote:
On 16/03/11 13:01, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
If you are not under too tight constraints, the questionshouldn't be
how something is being done, not even how users would like to do it, but
rather: how should they do it?
I thoroughly disagree
(assuming LTR reading
direction). To guarantee that, without using an offset from the left
that will always be too small or too large, the title would have to be
right-aligned to the right side of the window or panel. But
clipped/faded-out on the right, when necessary.
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. There are several variations and
it's attributed to varying people, but:
I would have written a shorter letter but didn't have time.
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, due
to having very large target areas. But them I use focus-follows-mouse
and auto-raise without delay, settings I can't recommend, as common
window-managers do things that mean you have to use alt-tab (or similar)
in combination to get out of some unfortunate situations.
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lots of talk that is not in any way actionable or on a path to get
there ... with one sender of such mails sticking out of the mass by
frequency and quantity.
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, but I had to give up on
organizing /Ayatana and /Artwork, as it eats too much time and returns
so little.
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it is about. And close the then entirely useless artwork list.
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On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 05:51 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/446
Have a look 2 mockups, thoughts and explanation at:
http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/08/05/ayatana-sound-menu/
(To Mark: sorry for the unnecessary copy!)
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quite a lot for clearing up the purpose of that field.
But if you just look at that without prior/external knowledge, you still
would have to ask: Say where? To whom?
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organizations, where you might have addresses
that do not map to persons.
Call it Groups if it's about collecting addresses in a mailing list or
newsletter style.
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of ideas not working well
together, documented goals and assumptions should help.
What can we learn from Mozilla's efforts in this arena?
Doing design challenges could be worth it.
http://design-challenge.mozillalabs.com/
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Currently the closest thing would be the About item in Help menus. I
have been wondering if that should be ripped out of applications, to
instead have a centralized means of accessing the same (and more)
information.
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and tasks that match,
* see what is being worked on.
...
None of that should ever include having to deal with wiki markup,
feeling like you have to become an information architect to find the
right place or keeping lists of projects up-to-date manually.
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such documentation,
we risk to forget many ideas and lack of a good way to compare concepts.
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, no
actionable items.
Turning premature into a step backwards is an unacceptable thing to
do in a discussion.
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^^.
The Windicators should be about state, not actions. They can have menus,
but the root is state.
So sync to somewhere can't be a windicator, but is this synced to
somewhere / progress, containing a Sync Now could.
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drag handles on things that allow resizing or
moving them, but that do not have drop targets. Just drag, no drop.
This leads me to: how about graying out everything that is not a drop
target (or highlighting everything that is a drop target), after a short
delay?
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have clicked play on that video
quite yet situation ;)
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of monolithic databases so my current email database
eats through my hard drive space every time I perform a backup.
The filesystem and related infrastructure should be enabled to handle
email directly. One email, one file. I think BeOS did that.
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https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Maverick/daniel_windicators
redirects there, it shall be deleted in a few days or so (everyone feel
free to do that or remind me).
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/Erlang or Seaside/Smalltalk? ;)
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a user would want to select
multiple files? Continuous vs random selections. Can you think of cases
where differing needs would arise?
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and even Emacs-style sequences.
For all GTK+ apps would be a nice start, but cross-toolkit would be even
better.
I wrote more about that back in 2007:
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not design for the small majority but the larger majority.
The majority of users is in a constant risk to develop RSI.
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. It's a symptom of a lack of understanding in this
field.
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, but I don't mind the use of 'intuitive'.
Do you want your language to be a blurry mess or a sharp tool?
Those who work in a field will use other terms or some of the same terms
differently from the wider populace, because they need to be more
precise.
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directly, let's just try to not turn that page into a
discussion board.
Especially: please add mockups.
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once you got used to single
clicking.
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action on files or folders, I would suggest something is
going wrong).
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clicking is going to make other functions impossible, not easier. my
point was simple that it creates many other problems that would have
to be thought through, we can't just switch it and think we're good to
go.
What becomes impossible?
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user. Basically adding meta-data to the history.
Of course there would have to be some history flattening scheme.
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select one of them to jump there.
Disclaimer: I currently don't use Rhythmbox or any other player with
panel icon / indicator menu and have no clue how that looks like now.
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are used with maybe 2 sizes, maximized and one smaller that
happens to be convenient, given the specific content and typical
context.
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, instead?
- Should workspaces be treated like tabs?
- Should tabbing happen on a window manager level, instead or in
addition to tabbing inside applications?
- Is click-to-focus really the best focus mode? If it is, what's the
right answer to the click-through-or-not question caused by it?
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of an icon, and that the placement will change depending on
other windows on every workspace.
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single windows,
they only shine when it's about switching between _sets_ of windows.
There are 2 ways to approach this regarding the underlying concept:
either you have several desktops with windows on them, or you have one
desktop and you show/hide groups of windows.
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as shortcut for this? That could be one of those things
you have to know about, but that are great if you do.
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is not
in an all-OK state, I think.
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that demonstrate the associated gestures.
Funny, I have just been thinking about something kinda similar, using
marking menus:
http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/window-control-marking-menu/
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There could be a 1 item sub-menu for the real command, but this could be
a bit hard on motor skill.
Or all the account/power commands could be in a radial menu :)
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for the reputation of Ubuntu to have such general
guidelines tied to the brand, but it could keep others from perusing it
and hence hurt the wider community.
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