Re: [Ayatana] What most people would find useful (was: Re: Updates on Login )

2009-06-18 Thread tacone
I think the biggest problem with automatic updates is that it puts systems at some non-zero risk for the sake of fixing something that probably isn't relevant to their systems. Wonderful point. I don't upgrade my system at all while I'm traveling. Stefano

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread tacone
People who auto-login or never restart can be handled differently. Personally, I auto-login, so I would not use this feature, but let's not think of gurus like us, who participate on Linux mailing lists, and let's think instead about the average user, who might be made uncomfortable by

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread tacone
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:02 AM, David Siegeldavid.sie...@canonical.com wrote: I think this is the ideal, but every time I start to bring up implicit updates, I get smacked :) Understandable. I should also say that browser upgrades are different from whole OS upgrade (not to mention we have

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread tacone
Would you mind showing us some evidence of said overwhelmingly negatively reaction? From what I've seen on the mailing lists so far, those complaining about the update pop-under mostly belong to a small, yet very vocal group of power users. Are you joking ? Count the unique users on this

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread tacone
Awesome, right? Not sure about what your whole reply meant. I think that notifying on startup has many disadvantage and it's not applicable in some cases (kernel upgrades, autologin). It's not wonder windows why asks for it at the shutdown. ___

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread tacone
We should definitely consider as many update scenarios as possible in order to find the one that users will prefer. We are very quick to start implementing updates and shut down without considering something radically different because many of us have experiences updates at shutdown when using

Re: [Ayatana] Interactive notifications idea

2009-06-14 Thread tacone
I fully understand my idea came in a time where everything was decided, but you have to let people express their vision, only afterwards you can point out things out. We're very interested in morphing windows, so thank you for exploring the idea! In general, morphing windows should let us