Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-20 Thread Thibaut Brandscheid
2011/10/17 Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com What would help here is for someone to make a screenshot comparison of the same windows, laid out in exactly the same positions, on Ubuntu, Windows, and OS X. We might find that the problem is partly font size, but partly also size

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-20 Thread Tomasz Sałaciński
I've created such a comparsion. First label shows default monospace font in Windows and in Ubuntu (gedit). Second label (Setup is loading...) shows Windows interface font (setup program) compared to Ubuntu interface font (made in Glade). See how much Windows fonts are clearer and take a lot

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-20 Thread Tadej Rosa
I feel I should point out that at least in my case, Windows 7 has, after a fresh install, always defaulted to the 125% bigger font preset. My monitor is a 4:3 20in HP, 1600x1200. DPI as I recall is just about 100. I always prefer to set the fonts to the default setting (100%), but it doesn't seem

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-20 Thread Ian Santopietro
The letters in the Segoe example run together, and in My opinion are a bit harder to read than the Ubuntu example. In addition to this, they look clearer because of improper hinting settings, which detracts from the visual appearance of the characters and also makes them harder to read.

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-20 Thread Tomasz Sałaciński
They are *slightly* harder to read because they're very small (9pt). Ubuntu should use Ubuntu 10, not 11. Remember, that such huge font makes working on smaller screens very annoying (no window will fit the screen, or will force user to scroll/move windows), working on bigger screen makes

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-18 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 charlesa...@gmail.com wrote on 15/10/11 19:58: dear unity developer team, could you please reduce the default font and ui size of unity and ubuntu overall, they really taking much screen real estate, or at least give us option to reduce the

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-18 Thread Angel Guzman Maeso
FYI: Changing the text-scaling-factor is easy with gsettings: $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface text-scaling-factor FACTOR FACTOR is a float value with high precision For example: $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface text-scaling-factor 0.9 Also, you can get the current

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-18 Thread Tomasz Sałaciński
The text scaling factor setting is highly undesireable. Neighter Mozilla apps or QT apps are respecting it. So with this change you'll get smaller/bigger fonts on the desktop, but Skype, Guitar Pro and Firefox will remain intact. This will make user to search changing Firefox font size in

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-18 Thread Angel Guzman Maeso
2011/10/18 Tomasz Sałaciński tsalacin...@gmail.com The text scaling factor setting is highly undesireable. Neighter Mozilla apps or QT apps are respecting it. So with this change you'll get smaller/bigger fonts on the desktop, but Skype, Guitar Pro and Firefox will remain intact. This will

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-18 Thread Tomasz Sałaciński
Hello, Sorry, I am not a Ubuntu developer, I have no power over what is included and what patches are accepted. I'm in doubt that my application will get into Ubuntu, I just wanted to share it with people that like to have such an app. In order to get everything working with this setting

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-17 Thread Ian Santopietro
I've only ever seen one person adjust the font size on any OS, Ubuntu or otherwise. This person needed the font larger so that he could see easier, and a basic font-size setting is present in Universal Access for people with such needs. Other users *shouldn't* need to adjust their font size, Here

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-17 Thread Tomasz Sałaciński
Yes, but normal newbie user don't know that tool such as GNOME Tweak Tool exist. When they are said to download and use it, they may be horrified that such small tool installs packages such as mutter, mesa, alacarte, gnome-panel, gnome-shell and so on and takes about 80 megabytes after

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-17 Thread Jeremy Bicha
2011/10/17 Tomasz Sałaciński tsalacin...@gmail.com: Yes, but normal newbie user don't know that tool such as GNOME Tweak Tool exist. When they are said to download and use it, they may be horrified that such small tool installs packages such as mutter, mesa, alacarte, gnome-panel, gnome-shell

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-17 Thread balint...@gmail.com
In my opinion the current font size is beatuiful on an HD monitor, much nicer than how windows or mac looks on such high resolution. But on a traditional screen it really is a bit disturbing. For example, on my 1024x600 netbook screen I always have to scale down the fonts to 10-9px for the desktop

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-17 Thread Evan Huus
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:40 PM, balint...@gmail.com balint...@gmail.com wrote: In my opinion the current font size is beatuiful on an HD monitor, much nicer than how windows or mac looks on such high resolution. But on a traditional screen it really is a bit disturbing. For example, on my

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-17 Thread James Jenner
I've never had a problem with the font size with Ubuntu, or with Windows to be honest. I've assisted a lot of users with their desktops over the years and the only reason I've ever heard for adjusting the font is due to eyesight issues, which as has been mentioned previously is available via

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-17 Thread Tomasz Sałaciński
Since this is a hot issue, I've created a Control Center applet that allows user to change fonts. You can download it here: http://luxperpetua.net/gnome/gnome-font-settings-0.1.tar.bz2 You will have to install dconf: sudo apt-get install libdconf-dev Then, unpack the file, go to directory and

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-16 Thread Ian Santopietro
No. It does appeal to some people, but the large majority have no preferences to what the font size is. If you want to change font settings to your liking, you can do this from the gnome-tweak-tool application. You can install it from the software center. On Oct 15, 2011 1:56 PM, Tomasz Sałaciński

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-16 Thread Tomasz Sałaciński
How do you know that most people don't have any preference about the font size? Every people I know (I tested it on almost 100 people in my company) doesn't want to use Ubuntu because of too big, ugly fonts (interface/deskto fonts are much bigger than website fonts for example). My friend that

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size

2011-10-16 Thread nick rundy
I've had the opposite experience with Windows. I find the Windows font painfully small and scanty. It's always refreshing to get to use Ubuntu with ubuntu-font because I feel like the font size and everything is sized just right. One of the things I like about Ubuntu over Windows is how, in

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-16 Thread Eylem Koca
Normally, I would agree with having to install a third-party app to fine tune a very deep and minor system setting, but font size is not such a setting and I completely disagree with your position here. We have all been criticizing Gnome-Shell for being non-customizable and were hoping Ubuntu

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size

2011-10-16 Thread Eylem Koca
Exactly. It's not about what size is right. It's about being able to customize it to your own liking. Eylem On 10/16/11 9:56 AM, nick rundy wrote: I've had the opposite experience with Windows. I find the Windows font painfully small and scanty. It's always refreshing to get to use Ubuntu

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size

2011-10-16 Thread Stefanos A.
2011/10/16 nick rundy nru...@hotmail.com I've had the opposite experience with Windows. I find the Windows font painfully small and scanty. It's always refreshing to get to use Ubuntu with ubuntu-font because I feel like the font size and everything is sized just right. One of the things I

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size

2011-10-16 Thread Christian Rupp
I also have no problem with the size. I think that they are perfect, but I know many persons who say the font is too big... Just found out that you can change it in the accessibility menu, but small is too small, and normal is ideal. Found it out cause I thought they may be older persons

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size

2011-10-16 Thread Christian Rupp
Sorry I forgot to say, that this is a strange place and on some screens the small options seems to be good. But it*s the first time ever I opened the accessibility menu^^ /I also have no problem with the size. I think that they are perfect, but I know many persons who say the font is too

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-15 Thread Tomasz Sałaciński
I agree with this in 100%. W dniu 15.10.2011 20:58, charlesa...@gmail.com pisze: dear unity developer team, could you please reduce the default font and ui size of unity and ubuntu overall, they really taking much screen real estate, or at least give us option to reduce the dpi or ppi