Re: [Ayatana] Gnome-tweak-tool by default

2011-10-16 Thread Ian Santopietro
I disagree. The current setup is fine. Most users will never need nor want to modify any of the settings that gnome-tweak-tool provides. For the users that do it'svery easy to learn where the settings are and how to get them. Gnome-tweak-tool provides access to a lot of irrelevant settings. In

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-16 Thread Ian Santopietro
No. It does appeal to some people, but the large majority have no preferences to what the font size is. If you want to change font settings to your liking, you can do this from the gnome-tweak-tool application. You can install it from the software center. On Oct 15, 2011 1:56 PM, Tomasz Sałaciński

Re: [Ayatana] Gnome-tweak-tool by default

2011-10-16 Thread supernova
Isn't it possible to modify unity menu in order to place icons of Accessories, Internet, Multimedia, opening in dash environment? Supernova ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe :

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-16 Thread Tomasz Sałaciński
How do you know that most people don't have any preference about the font size? Every people I know (I tested it on almost 100 people in my company) doesn't want to use Ubuntu because of too big, ugly fonts (interface/deskto fonts are much bigger than website fonts for example). My friend that

[Ayatana] Ayatana dev list - attitude

2011-10-16 Thread Tomasz Sałaciński
Hello, My question is about the attitude of making changes to Ubuntu. Most replies start with Users don't want to, Most users won't do that, This will make users confused. How do you have such information? My proposal is to make a Ubuntu poll application that will gather opinion from users

Re: [Ayatana] Ayatana dev list - attitude

2011-10-16 Thread charlesa...@gmail.com
Dear Tomasz, That would be great. But they are still required to have valid account on launchpad or something official from ubuntu though, otherwise naughty user will poll and poll again just to abuse ubuntu developement progress. I'm not a programmer but I'm sure I'll glad to help with any kind

Re: [Ayatana] Ayatana dev list - attitude

2011-10-16 Thread Kostas Sytske
Hello, What users want you can find on the Ubuntu Brainstorm website: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ There are many ideas from what people like to see in Ubuntu. I think you have to make a poll (NOT requiring a Launchpad account) part of the Ubuntu Brainstorm website. Best regards, Kostas

Re: [Ayatana] Ayatana dev list - attitude

2011-10-16 Thread Christian Rupp
I don't think we need to have a login process. I think it's better to allow every computer to submit one result. I'm not a programmer, so I've no idea how to realize that. You normally don't have over 3 up to 5 PCs to update and a company should use a LTS and the most used software is still

Re: [Ayatana] Ayatana dev list - attitude

2011-10-16 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
Den 16. okt. 2011 11:33, skrev Tomasz Sałaciński: Hello, My question is about the attitude of making changes to Ubuntu. Most replies start with Users don't want to, Most users won't do that, This will make users confused. How do you have such information? My proposal is to make a Ubuntu poll

Re: [Ayatana] Ayatana dev list - attitude

2011-10-16 Thread Tomasz Sałaciński
It could be easier to do a normal GTK application that will start when the system is started for the first time and show a dialog box asking if user wants to participate in polls. Then, it could identify users by their external IP (taken from the poll server when application connects to

Re: [Ayatana] Ayatana dev list - attitude

2011-10-16 Thread James Jenner
On 16 October 2011 21:01, Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.comwrote: You get such data by collecting a number of different users and testing the software on them in a controlled manner. A web poll is not useful because people will be driven by preconceptions and emotion instead of

Re: [Ayatana] Gnome-tweak-tool by default

2011-10-16 Thread James Gifford
Ian, I point you to the Ubuntu power users community. There is a need for a advanced configuration tool - but as a part of the Putting safety into our work thread on there, I think someone mentioned that if such a Ubuntu/Unity tweak tool was installed by default, it would need to have a

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size

2011-10-16 Thread nick rundy
I've had the opposite experience with Windows. I find the Windows font painfully small and scanty. It's always refreshing to get to use Ubuntu with ubuntu-font because I feel like the font size and everything is sized just right. One of the things I like about Ubuntu over Windows is how, in

Re: [Ayatana] What's up with all the non-resizable windows?

2011-10-16 Thread Stefanos A.
*Some* windows are ok to resize, because for those windows, the probability that people would resize them deliberately multiplied by the benefit from doing so is greater than the probability that people would resize them accidentally multiplied by the pain from doing so. I disagree with the

Re: [Ayatana] Ayatana dev list - attitude

2011-10-16 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On 10/16/2011 12:36 PM, Kostas Sytske wrote: What users want you can find on the Ubuntu Brainstorm website: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ Not 'users', but the segment of users who are sufficiently enthusiastic and interested enough about Ubuntu, who know about the Brainstorm site, think

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011-10-16 Thread Eylem Koca
Normally, I would agree with having to install a third-party app to fine tune a very deep and minor system setting, but font size is not such a setting and I completely disagree with your position here. We have all been criticizing Gnome-Shell for being non-customizable and were hoping Ubuntu

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size

2011-10-16 Thread Eylem Koca
Exactly. It's not about what size is right. It's about being able to customize it to your own liking. Eylem On 10/16/11 9:56 AM, nick rundy wrote: I've had the opposite experience with Windows. I find the Windows font painfully small and scanty. It's always refreshing to get to use Ubuntu

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size

2011-10-16 Thread Stefanos A.
2011/10/16 nick rundy nru...@hotmail.com I've had the opposite experience with Windows. I find the Windows font painfully small and scanty. It's always refreshing to get to use Ubuntu with ubuntu-font because I feel like the font size and everything is sized just right. One of the things I

Re: [Ayatana] Gnome-tweak-tool by default

2011-10-16 Thread Eylem Koca
Completely agreed with you there. Asking for that certain gnome-tweak-tool by default does not make sense. Ubuntu must develop its own system customization tool and ship it by default. Eylem On 10/16/11 8:49 AM, Christian Rupp wrote: Nice would be a simple tweak tool which provides things

Re: [Ayatana] Gnome-tweak-tool by default

2011-10-16 Thread Stefanos A.
2011/10/16 Christian Rupp christ...@r-k-r.de But power users just head to the software center and install gnome tweak tool - nothing big Nice would be a simple tweak tool which provides things like font and - size or opacity Absolutely agreed. The two most common support requests I get for

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size

2011-10-16 Thread Christian Rupp
I also have no problem with the size. I think that they are perfect, but I know many persons who say the font is too big... Just found out that you can change it in the accessibility menu, but small is too small, and normal is ideal. Found it out cause I thought they may be older persons

Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size

2011-10-16 Thread Christian Rupp
Sorry I forgot to say, that this is a strange place and on some screens the small options seems to be good. But it*s the first time ever I opened the accessibility menu^^ /I also have no problem with the size. I think that they are perfect, but I know many persons who say the font is too

Re: [Ayatana] Gnome-tweak-tool by default

2011-10-16 Thread James Gifford
Here is the main issue with having two tools. They all do more or less the same thing, and why should we duplicate our efforts? The efforts that would be spent doing two separate tools, one with *slightly* less features could be better spent on something like making Unity ready for the LTS,

Re: [Ayatana] Gnome-tweak-tool by default

2011-10-16 Thread Jacopo Moronato
Correct me if I'm wrong, ma it won't be a waste of time. Gnome-Tweak-Tool is developed by Gnome for G-S, and Canonical could easily develop a tweak tool for his Unity shell. Moreover, at this moment including Gnome-Tweak-Tool is not a good solution, just because the package has a lot of