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On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Dylan McCalldylanmccall@x wrote:
Mutter, if I recall correctly, continues
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Le mercredi 25 mai 2011 à 12:11 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad a écrit :
I've tested Unity on some innocent users. By that, I mean people who
have little or no experience with Ubuntu or other distros and aren't
coloured
On 26. mai 2011 12:47, Adrian Maier wrote:
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 05:52, Ian Santopietroisan...@gmail.com wrote:
But who said the majority of Ubuntu users don't like the global menu? It may
well be the case that the majority of users on this mailing list don't like
it, but it's been said
On 26. mai 2011 12:01, Thibaut Brandscheid wrote:
Hi all
Yesterday evening an idea popped up into my mind about how to improve
Dash usability.
Mock-up:
Dash Idea – Easy Lens Switcher http://goo.gl/SO9NH
Two things were bothering me subconsciously:
- One click switching between Lenses is
On 26. mai 2011 16:29, Ed Lin wrote:
It's just a gimmick that was copied from Win7. A lighter highlight
background would aid making running applications more visible.
See [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications for more
Well, I certainly won't argue against learning
. My keybindings are global
to my desktop. They are not global to the web.
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to do that?
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are the current plans?
Thank you.
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. Is there an easy way to find all keyboard combinations in the different
modes of Unity? I mean normal desktop, lenses and super+w?
Thanks.
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On 28. mai 2011 04:35, Sam Spilsbury wrote:
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
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Sorry about the pun, but there are a few keyboard issues that I think
requires
some attention.
1. If you press super+w (what is that view called
,
etc. I might want to switch to my network overview workspace, to see
graphs, etc
but I would hardly ever switch to my software development workspace
while I'm
making music, so I could let the alt+num combos for workspaces reflect that.
What do you think? Is this possible to achieve?
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On 03. juni 2011 18:48, Ed Lin wrote:
In the spread view and workspace view Win+Num still works, adding
another numbering scheme would be quite confusing
I don't understand why that is. It works this way in Firefox, Nautilus
and lots of other tabbed applications. Why is that not confusing?
I
the different things are and how to use them.
Wouldn't that be both efficient and easily implemented?
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that the items be given a number
to show how you can switch to them. It would be more
didatic than how tabs work in Firefox.
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to get some anonymous data from them?
Just a thought.
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, of course, is that it doesn't.
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I suppose the subject says it all... I'm looking for a Python
library to write Unity lensens, some documentation and
preferably a tutorial if it isn't obvious. Any good leads?
Thanks.
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in the players? Seems a little bit offtopic
for this list? I'm new here, though. :)
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Zeitgeist provides these features as is, so it would only
be a matter of syncing Nautilus against it. That would also make
the Dash automatically display the correct favorite folders.
What do you think?
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Can someone explain briefly in what way this is user friendly
bahaviour? It seems utterly confusing to me.
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On 6 July 2011 13:04, Omer Akram om26er.l...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
Good news, in Oneiric system settings will be removed from the SessionMenu
and an icon for it will be placed in the launcher by default, It'll probably
happen around alpha-3 I guess :-)
That is not good news at all. The
Sorry about that. Gmail fools me sometimes. :)
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Date: 27 July 2011 17:04
Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Place Shut Down as the last entry in the
Sessions-Menu for Oneiric and beyond
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On 29 July 2011 08:42, Mark Shuttleworth
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Then you might like the Super+n key combinations, holding down Super (the
Windows key on many laptops) and pressing 0-9 will launch/switch to that
launcher. Hold down Super for a while to see the actual number.
Again.. Sorry :)
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Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 20:13:59 +0200
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I've noticed that sometimes, depending on what
you're doing
from which searches so that I can try to hunt for bugs and
improvements.
Does any such tool exist? How would such a tool work?
Ideas?
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the lenses all the time and it feels like it's slowing me down. It's not
that I can't afford to wait two seconds, of course, but still. If it could be
made more responsive, then it'd be a good improvement.
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With 11.10, the window close button has been placed in the
upper right corner and so that corner can't be used to
immediately display the launcher. But the bottom-left
corner isn't used for anything, and is just as easy to hit.
Just a thought.
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on the launcher
too. I think it would be better to have a quicklist on the Ubuntu button.
What's the current idea in that regard?
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them all the time.
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icons should be a little bit bigger. After all,
they're
fairly important parts of the interface, and they need to be more visible.
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different, but we certainly should not limit
ourselves from fear of being different either.
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so that clicks don't
have any
effect. I actually think the Ubuntu button should fill that space in any
case, to
show that it is a different button.
Best of both worlds? Just a thought.
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how to use it by
reading something, not by exploration. Because even after years of
exploration, they will not be able to grasp basic concepts, whereas spending
five minutes on a quick tutorial will give users with experience from other
systems a good understanding of how everything works.
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not improved
for a decade.
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On 27 August 2011 17:29, huff huffyli...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:57:20 +0200 Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
Den 27. aug. 2011 05:02, skrev James Jenner:
I agree with you in regards to people learning the behaviour of
the application, people are not stupid and they will learn
learn and base decisions on the things that we learn.
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Den 27. aug. 2011 18:31, skrev Thorsten Wilms:
On 08/27/2011 03:08 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
If anything, people should not be given the impression that they can
learn how to use a computer by exploration.
Aspects that may support the impression that a UI can be learned by
exploration
than
a reminder that I can exit an application if I want to -- which
obviously, lots of people never do.
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Den 28. aug. 2011 00:20, skrev Biekei Ojo:
Hello guys and thanks for the work. I suggest that the color of
unity's launcher and the dash color should automatically adjust to the
present desktop theme.
The dashs color depends on the dominant color in the wallpaper in 11.10.
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on the window decorator to close and
minimize windows.
Most people are even able to use websites, which is far more difficult.
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of the screen. That means it's far easier to close the
window when you want to minimize it, but that's not what you're complaining
about, even though you are mostly worried about inexperienced users. This
is very puzzling to me. Can you explain that?
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Den 28. aug. 2011 02:41, skrev huff:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 21:44:44 +0200 Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
Yes, you want them. But why? Is there any other reason
than liking to see orange circles with X-es in them?
Like looking at circles?!? Seriously, dude.
The reason I like them is because I look
Den 28. aug. 2011 05:12, skrev James Jenner:
On 27 August 2011 13:57, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
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Den 27. aug. 2011 05:02, skrev James Jenner:
I was agreeing with you, not sure why you thought I was not. In
regards
I filed this bug report under Unity Shell:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-shell/+bug/835822
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, the indications are less
visible than they normally are.
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touch the top of the screen.
The controls and menus are very discoverable.
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I filed a bug with an idea how to make Unity more web friendly:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-shell/+bug/837197
Reactions?
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On my laptop, I think it's a little bit difficult to use the overlay
scrollbars. It's not very difficult, but it has been sufficient to annoy
me from time to time. I think it would help if I could increase their
sizes a little bit. Is that configurable?
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the assumption that all members would know how important this is?
So, no, there are too many unresolved issues to make adding PPAs a
matter of simple point and clicks. This is why it was removed/hidden
from apturl.
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how other tabbed interfaces work and it will not interfere
with anything. Any chance of that happening in 11.10? Because not being
able to comfortably use the keyboard, is a seriously annoying regression
from 11.04.
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the other indicators work.
Thoughts?
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must have a
different color and it should be red.
Blue is fine for startable tasks. Red is fine for overdue tasks. But
what about the remaining reminders? I really would like an indicator-way
of solving all these cases.
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availability like it does
in 11.04. Then they actually are two different indicators for two
different aspects of the same entity, and hence it makes sense to let
them share one menu.
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No, they're different things. The dash searches for applications and
files. Alt+f2 is to run a command. It is case sensitive and must be
exact. It would be very confusing if the dash gained that behaviour.
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Den 22. sep. 2011 15:08, skrev Naba Kumar:
Hi,
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
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No, they're different things. The dash searches for applications and files.
Alt+f2 is to run a command. It is case sensitive and must be exact. It would
compiz using compiz
--replace without opening a terminal and running nohup compiz
--replace is a good reason to keep it around. Or to quickly open a root
nautilus. (Which itself is an example of situations when it should not
be necessary to run a command) Stuff like that.
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super, then press altgr¨¨. Many more key strokes in order to do
the same thing. If something like that was to be implemented, then I
would say the proper prefixes would be $ to run as yourself and # to run
as root. But again, I really don't want that.
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to be manually changed
to the mailing list address.
Why don't you use Reply to list?
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to close the window afterwards.
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What do you think?
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the buttons were released. From a users point of view, this shouldn't
change anything. If you press and hold super+2, then nothing happens,
except that the launcher stays visible. When you release 2, then you
switch to the second entry.
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realized that it would be better to hold shift in alt+f1
to move entries up and down.
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users (which is a good thing). For
one-offs, I can still use Alt-F2.
Ah, a voice of reason. :)
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to the Dash, but require
something more explicit the other way around.
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Shouldn't direct hits on package names always be ranked highest? In
this case, I think MultiGet should be displayed before others when
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a button to do a generic search, but that should not be
the default.
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resizing a window in oneiric without
pressing alt, and it is indeed a fight between the overlay scrollbar
and the resize thingy.
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anyone talking about small screens in this thread. I like these features
because they don't distract my eyes unnecessarily, but it doesn't hurt
to minimize the waste of space either.
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want to hit the edge. If the pointer is close to the edge,
then it should only be shown if you keep pushing the pointer towards the
edge. Speed could also be used as part of the decision making.
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the software and it was no problem at all. I would've voted against the
best solution out of fear of change. That's a _very_ bad thing to base
decisions on.
Science is the best tool. Ever.
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expressly don't want to define what problem you want to fix.
I don't really understand the problem at all. Seems nice to me, though
it would be nice if you could tear an app out of a group, but that's a
different issue.
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this was a confirmed bug?
It is a confirmed bug, which is not present in Unity 2D, by the way. You
can find it here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/873082
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be interesting to see how many
apps will use dynamic quicklists, lenses, etc.
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in the
launcher if you want to use the mouse.
(other features- box around current active window, mouse only exit
from chooser, window titles below preview)
There are improvements to be made in the super+w and super+numnum views.
I agree with this.
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not a radical change, but it does make the handles
easier to see.
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, make heavy apps appear nearly instantaneously.
Lots of stuff to do here.
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they look nice in Gnome Shell, but
I'm not sure it would work well in Unity.
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be used if you're right handed.
This is a large topic by itself, so I'll stop there.
What do you think? I haven't actually tested this in reality, but I
think it might be nice.
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of this metaphor is broken, i can't see through it.
Yes, but why do you want to use those menus while using the dash at all?
I think clicking outside of the dash should close it.
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seems to have worked well on the mouse.
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Den 30. okt. 2011 17:30, skrev Chow Loong Jin:
On 31/10/2011 00:25, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
I think using two F-keys for this at the same time, would not be wise. I do
agree that it would be better if you could use it with one hand, though. But
perhaps we could double-tap F10 to teleport
that indicators are for mouse only. We have F10 to set
keyboard focus on the menu and you can easily navigate to the indicators
by pressing the left arrow.
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it. The question is what
keyboard shortcut to use. Ctrl+BAT might be useful. (BAT == Button Above
Tab -- and Tab backwards :))
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issues).
Absolutely, and that's what the keyboard is for. Press F10 to focus
menus, navigate with arrow keys and activate items by pressing enter.
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to launch and navigate
between applications. Nautilus is part of Gnome. This is an upstream
change to simplify the user interface.
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Den 01. nov. 2011 21:26, skrev anthropornis:
Will Canonical ever permit the user to disable the launcher so that he
or she can use the dock of their choice (or something else altogether)?
Canonical has chosen to permit 100% configurability. Is that awesome, or
what?
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to disable the launcher so
that he
or she can use the dock of their choice (or something else
altogether)?
Canonical has chosen to permit 100% configurability. Is that
awesome, or
what?
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Source?
Yes, indeed.
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Den 01. nov. 2011 22:15, skrev Tim Penhey:
On 02/11/11 09:44, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
Den 01. nov. 2011 21:26, skrev anthropornis:
Will Canonical ever permit the user to disable the launcher so that he
or she can use the dock of their choice (or something else altogether)?
Canonical has
, up arrow twice and
enter.
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manager. It is better to have a default
interface that is clean and simple, with the ability to add buttons you
like, than to start with a cluttered interface with the ability to remove.
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launcher, you are implying that they are. I certainly didn't intend for
this to become a discussion though.
Have a nice day.
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options appear as
they're proven to be necessary, and not in the hope that they won't be
useless. In other words, to err on the side of simplicity.
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time for it to become a strong community, but join anyway :)
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pointed
out that the software does not function as intended by the authors. Do
you understand the difference? Obviously, running applications are not
intended to become invisible and unusable.
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the end of the
beginning.»
Wow, I didn't intend for this to become so verbose. :)
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