Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-28 Thread Ian Santopietro
But Alt-F1 triggers keyboard navigation of the launcher, not the dash. You can switch directlyfrom there to either dash or the Run dialog without any other action. To open the dash, briefly press and release Super, which is a very different shortcut from Alt-F2, and not likely to be confused. It

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-28 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
Den 28. sep. 2011 11:51, skrev Ian Santopietro: But Alt-F1 triggers keyboard navigation of the launcher, not the dash. You can switch directlyfrom there to either dash or the Run dialog without any other action. To open the dash, briefly press and release Super, which is a very different

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-28 Thread Eylem Koca
It may sound off-topic, but it's related I think: Up until Beta 2 was released, I had this bug (I don't know if it's fixed, as I had to do a clean install on my laptop and didn't have time to install Beta 2 yet). When I installed Gnome-Shell (yes, blasphemer) Alt-F2 did NOT work there at all.

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-28 Thread Stefanos A.
2011/9/28 Ian Santopietro isan...@gmail.com But Alt-F1 triggers keyboard navigation of the launcher, not the dash. You can switch directlyfrom there to either dash or the Run dialog without any other action. To open the dash, briefly press and release Super, which is a very different shortcut

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-28 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 28 September 2011 07:48, Eylem Koca eylemk...@gmail.com wrote: It may sound off-topic, but it's related I think: Up until Beta 2 was released, I had this bug (I don't know if it's fixed, as I had to do  a clean install on my laptop and didn't have time to install Beta 2 yet). When I

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-28 Thread Ian Santopietro
It is simple, but it isn't intuitive. Pressing enter (in combination with any other key) indicates that you want to do an action with the item selected on the screen. We don't want the dash to search commands, as this is not end-user friendly. A new user should never have to know what a command

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-28 Thread Stefanos A.
2011/9/28 Ian Santopietro isan...@gmail.com It is simple, but it isn't intuitive. Pressing enter (in combination with any other key) indicates that you want to do an action with the item selected on the screen. We don't want the dash to search commands, as this is not end-user friendly. A

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-28 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
Den 28. sep. 2011 20:54, skrev Stefanos A.: As for it being unlikely, I'd argue that it isn't. There are many times where I hit Super only to decide I'd rather enter a command rather than launch an application. Right now it's impossible to mode-switch easily, because you have to close and

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-28 Thread Juan Montoya
Good point, Ian. I am convinced now that the dash must not absorb the functionality of the run dialog. The dash should remain user-friendly, especially for new users. However, the behaviour I wanted would still be available through lenses? I don't know much about Unity lenses, and at first I

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-28 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 28 September 2011 15:52, Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com wrote: No, that is not true. If you have the Dash open, then you can press alt+f2 to switch to the normal alt+f2 view. Contrary, if you've pressed alt+f2, but should've pressed super, you can just press tab. This makes

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-27 Thread Stefanos A.
2011/9/27 James Jenner james.g.jen...@gmail.com Not a big fan of using something like ~ or $ or # in a lens either. That was my suggestion but it appears it keeps getting misunderstood. You'd *never* have to type such strange symbols in the dash. That's insane. What I suggested is adding a

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-27 Thread Ian Santopietro
Adding a 5th stop just makes it harder to get to it. The point of having the separate dashes, as I see it, is to provide very quick access to both pieces of very important functionality. As it stands, that goal is accomplished. There isn't really a reason to switch from one to the other, since

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-27 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 26 September 2011 18:54, Evan Huus eapa...@gmail.com wrote: I use it regularly to kill or restart processes using the killall command, which allows you to specifiy a name rather than a PID. I also use it to spawn firefox with different -P profile options for testing add-ons. Neither of the

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-27 Thread Stefanos A.
2011/9/27 Ian Santopietro isan...@gmail.com Adding a 5th stop just makes it harder to get to it. The point of having the separate dashes, as I see it, is to provide very quick access to both pieces of very important functionality. Alt-F2 will still be available. I suggested the *addition* of

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-27 Thread Stefanos A.
And a different viewpoint: Win7 doesn't distinguish between 'execute command', 'launch application', 'search applications' and 'search files' in its Dash equivalent. Instead, it works through the list in that order: if the text entered matches a command, then it's treated as a command (e.g. ping

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-27 Thread Evan Huus
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Stefanos A. stapos...@gmail.com wrote: And a different viewpoint: Win7 doesn't distinguish between 'execute command', 'launch application', 'search applications' and 'search files' in its Dash equivalent. Instead, it works through the list in that order: if the

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-26 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
On 09/22/2011 08:46 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: Den 22. sep. 2011 20:40, skrev Alex Launi: Can someone explain why we think we want the ability to run rm directly from unity anyway? Is there a single person who wants this functionality who doesn't have a terminal open all of the time

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-26 Thread Stefanos A.
2011/9/26 Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen mikkel.kamst...@canonical.com On 09/22/2011 08:46 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: Den 22. sep. 2011 20:40, skrev Alex Launi: Can someone explain why we think we want the ability to run rm directly from unity anyway? Is there a single person who wants this

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-26 Thread Naba Kumar
Hi, On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen mikkel.kamst...@canonical.com wrote: On 09/22/2011 08:46 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: Den 22. sep. 2011 20:40, skrev Alex Launi: Can someone explain why we think we want the ability to run rm directly from unity anyway? Is

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-26 Thread Gino Vincenzini
Ps. That's annoying that the reply address has to be manually changed to the mailing list address. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Gino Vincenzini openmysourcec...@gmail.com wrote: Might I submit for your reading:

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-26 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
Den 26. sep. 2011 13:21, skrev Naba Kumar: y and is what others have pointed out. But what is there to lose if the two are done through same interface - without any lose of functionality of either? Some subtle difference between the two can be brought in, such as like joerlend suggested with

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-26 Thread Naba Kumar
Hi Jo-Erlend, On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com wrote: Den 26. sep. 2011 13:21, skrev Naba Kumar: y and is what others have pointed out. But what is there to lose if the two are done through same interface - without any lose of functionality of

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-26 Thread Stefanos A.
2011/9/26 Naba Kumar naba.ku...@gmail.com Hi Jo-Erlend, On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com wrote: Den 26. sep. 2011 13:21, skrev Naba Kumar: y and is what others have pointed out. But what is there to lose if the two are done through same

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-26 Thread anthropornis
I tend to hit Ctrl+Shift+R in Thunderbird (reply all shortcut), it's handy if you're checking multiple Gmail accounts via IMAP through Thunderbird. On 09/26/2011 11:28 AM, Gino Vincenzini wrote: Ps. That's annoying that the reply address has to be manually changed to the mailing list address.

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-26 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
Den 26. sep. 2011 21:45, skrev anthropornis: I tend to hit Ctrl+Shift+R in Thunderbird (reply all shortcut), it's handy if you're checking multiple Gmail accounts via IMAP through Thunderbird. On 09/26/2011 11:28 AM, Gino Vincenzini wrote: Ps. That's annoying that the reply address has to be

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-26 Thread anthropornis
Force of habit I guess. On 09/26/2011 04:22 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: Den 26. sep. 2011 21:45, skrev anthropornis: I tend to hit Ctrl+Shift+R in Thunderbird (reply all shortcut), it's handy if you're checking multiple Gmail accounts via IMAP through Thunderbird. On 09/26/2011 11:28 AM,

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-26 Thread James Jenner
On 27 September 2011 02:19, Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com wrote: I have not proposed anything like that. That was someone else, and I completely disagree with it. I don't want commands in the dash at all. They do not belong there. I like it just the way it is, but having an

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-26 Thread Evan Huus
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 6:28 PM, James Jenner james.g.jen...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 September 2011 02:19, Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com wrote: I have not proposed anything like that. That was someone else, and I completely disagree with it. I don't want commands in the

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-26 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
Den 27. sep. 2011 00:28, skrev James Jenner: I tried the Alt-F2 and disliked it mainly because I have no way of knowing if it worked and I have no way of stopping it if it's a process like ping. One area I can see it being useful would be to restart a service or stop/start a service. But when

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-26 Thread James Jenner
Well, this is mostly the way that Alt+F2 has worked for at least ten years, so there's really nothing new there. We used to have some options in the dialog, though, like run in terminal, run with file and select applications. None of those make sense to me. If I want to run something in a

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-26 Thread Juan Montoya
I wish there was no difference between Dash search (Super) Alt-F1 and Alt-F2. Both search panels look exactly the same, and should behave exactly the same. Why not something like? Enter: Open the first search result Ctrl-Enter: Run as a command

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-26 Thread Ian Santopietro
The question is why lump them together? They both provide two very different functions and the shortcut differencebis sufficient to keep them separate. The current implementation works. Why change it if it isn't broken? On Sep 26, 2011 9:24 PM, Juan Montoya th3pr0p...@gmail.com wrote: I wish

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-23 Thread Stefanos A.
2011/9/22 Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com Den 22. sep. 2011 20:40, skrev Alex Launi: Can someone explain why we think we want the ability to run rm directly from unity anyway? Is there a single person who wants this functionality who doesn't have a terminal open all of the

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-23 Thread Eylem Koca
I think this was the best suggestion on this so far. It would add a missing feature to Unity and bring more unity to Ubuntu desktop. Eylem On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Stefanos A. stapos...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/9/22 Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com Den 22. sep. 2011

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-22 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
No, they're different things. The dash searches for applications and files. Alt+f2 is to run a command. It is case sensitive and must be exact. It would be very confusing if the dash gained that behaviour. Jo-Erlend Schinstad ___ Mailing list:

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-22 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
On 09/22/2011 01:19 PM, Naba Kumar wrote: Hi, I use Alt+F2 a lot to launch apps and at the same time the dash search to launch apps is an awesome feature. But in 11.10, Alt+f2 is different from dash-search (although they look similar). Dash search is where I click the ubuntu launcher, type the

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-22 Thread Naba Kumar
Hi, On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com wrote: No, they're different things. The dash searches for applications and files. Alt+f2 is to run a command. It is case sensitive and must be exact. It would be very confusing if the dash gained that

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-22 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
Den 22. sep. 2011 15:08, skrev Naba Kumar: Hi, On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com wrote: No, they're different things. The dash searches for applications and files. Alt+f2 is to run a command. It is case sensitive and must be exact. It would be

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-22 Thread Alex Launi
Can someone explain why we think we want the ability to run rm directly from unity anyway? Is there a single person who wants this functionality who doesn't have a terminal open all of the time anyway? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana

Re: [Ayatana] Dash search vs Alt+F2 in 11.10

2011-09-22 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
Den 22. sep. 2011 20:40, skrev Alex Launi: Can someone explain why we think we want the ability to run rm directly from unity anyway? Is there a single person who wants this functionality who doesn't have a terminal open all of the time anyway? rm is a bad example. But being able to restart