Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-21 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Are you saying that you really NEVER experienced an upgrade that creates a problem? I use my computer to work. Sometimes I just can't afford the risk that the thing breaks, even in minor aspects. E.g. when I am preparing a presentation or I am under a deadline. For this

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-21 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Mark Shuttleworth ha scritto: Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Are you saying that you really NEVER experienced an upgrade that creates a problem? I use my computer to work. Sometimes I just can't afford the risk that the thing breaks, even in minor aspects. E.g. when I am

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Natan Yellin
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.comwrote: On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:40:12 +0530 mac_v drkv...@yahoo.com wrote: ... It is accepted that the icon is NOT very useful and also ignored ... I have to disagree. This has been repeatedly asserted, but I don't recall

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mar, 16/06/2009 alle 17.17 +0200, Martín Soto ha scritto: Would you mind showing us some evidence of said overwhelmingly negatively reaction? From what I've seen on the mailing lists so far, those complaining about the update pop-under mostly belong to a small, yet very

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread tacone
Would you mind showing us some evidence of said overwhelmingly negatively reaction? From what I've seen on the mailing lists so far, those complaining about the update pop-under mostly belong to a small, yet very vocal group of power users. Are you joking ? Count the unique users on this

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Martín Soto
2009/6/16 Vincenzo Ciancia cian...@di.unipi.it Please, let's keep the this is something that only power user like/dislike old argument out of this discussion. I see this is not your intention, but as we are all power users this is an effective dialectic technique to lower the value of our

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:31:54 +0200 Martín Soto dons...@gmail.com wrote: This is the reason why I was asking Scott to produce some explicit evidence, because, so far, I have the impression he's mostly speaking based on his own feelings. I may be wrong about this, of course. You are. I have tried