Re: [Ayatana] Power information notifications

2009-06-03 Thread Martín Soto
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 10:42 +0200, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: ... Battery low 25 minutes remaining (15.67%) That's all that's needed. We shouldn't use generic titles like Power information and then put the detail in the body - we should put the key information in the title

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Martín Soto
2009/6/16 Vincenzo Ciancia cian...@di.unipi.it Please, let's keep the this is something that only power user like/dislike old argument out of this discussion. I see this is not your intention, but as we are all power users this is an effective dialectic technique to lower the value of our

Re: [Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors

2009-07-07 Thread Martín Soto
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Praveen tgpravee...@gmail.com wrote: You are right and hence the only sane way of solving the problem seems to be to give user the control to seta global do-not-disturb mode when he needs it and logging the messages that he misses.This has several advantages

Re: [Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors

2009-07-07 Thread Martín Soto
2009/7/7 Matt Wheeler m...@funkyhat.org 2009/7/7 Martín Soto dons...@gmail.com: Take a look at my last message to this thread: I think it addresses your point much better. In summary, I think we should not pay so much attention to the data source, but to the data destination. If you're

Re: [Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors

2009-07-07 Thread Martín Soto
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:22 PM, mac_v drkv...@yahoo.com wrote: The users cant/shouldnt expect everything to be spoon fed! The Option is there! just because the user forgets ,it isnt a design flaw. I wonder what sort of design philosophy you're advocating here. One where we refrain from

Re: [Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors

2009-07-07 Thread Martín Soto
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Paulo J. S. Silva pjssi...@ime.usp.brwrote: Em Ter, 2009-07-07 às 13:49 +0200, Martín Soto escreveu: Also, future versions of X/Gnome wil automatically offer a configuration box as soon as you plug in a monitor. We can consider asking the user once

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

2009-09-06 Thread Martín Soto
On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 08:44 -0500, Ted Gould wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 11:15 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: There is no need for a Preferences for the Messaging Menu, and this use case does not justify the creation of one. We have specified a preference dialog for the messaging menu.

Re: [Ayatana] Regarding Notify-OSD's Position in Karmic Koala

2009-10-21 Thread Martín Soto
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Martin Owens docto...@gmail.com wrote: [...] The first thing I've noticed from this experimental opinionated stance is a tendency to alienate and frustrate people who want to collaborate. There are people who will give up their personal visions for yours

Re: [Ayatana] Regarding Notify-OSD's Position in Karmic Koala

2009-10-21 Thread Martín Soto
2009/10/21 Paulo J. S. Silva pjssi...@ime.usp.br In my humble opinion this is one of best ways to end a conversation: takes your opponent point of view and turn it into a caricature that make it sound unreasonable. Well, I thing exposing the weaknesses in other people's argumentation is at

Re: [Ayatana] Regarding Notify-OSD's Position in Karmic Koala

2009-10-21 Thread Martín Soto
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Luke Benstead kaz...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I think the reason that notify-osd's positioning is a particular sticking point with many people is that it is something where no default location will suit the majority of people. Users with visual problems,

Re: [Ayatana] Reducing Resistance to Change

2010-05-03 Thread Martín Soto
2010/4/30 Diego Moya turi...@gmail.com 2010/4/30 Martín Soto : The fact that human brains posses such a high plasticity, however, is no excuse for us not getting our act together. Whenever you change a UI, you will break someone's habituation to that UI. Not if you support both

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-03 Thread Martín Soto
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@ubuntu.com wrote: I think listening to music while chatting is not rare at all. I do it, and many other people I know do the same. And considering how much noise was made over the one-application-rules-the-sound-card bug that existed

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-03 Thread Martín Soto
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@ubuntu.com wrote: Think of all those flashy annoying myspace pages that play music and don't provide any controls. Do you honestly believe that all the video and audio players out there embedded into web pages have volume controls? And

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-03 Thread Martín Soto
2010/5/3 Chow Loong Jin hyper...@ubuntu.com There's a difference between not so common, and non-existent. I understand your concern that my use cases may be uncommon, but what you appeared to be doing earlier was saying something like well most people would do X, so let's assume that

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-03 Thread Martín Soto
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Sense Hofstede qe...@ubuntu.com wrote: Many people have said that adding all sound using applications is not useful because they wouldn't use it. A few points: * There is nothing that prevents you from ignoring the applications in the list. In fact, I think we

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-04 Thread Martín Soto
2010/5/3 Diego Moya turi...@gmail.com Norman's direct mapping would be the best model if each application had volume completely independent of each other. This isn't true though, as there is a system-wide volume control that changes all applications at once, thus making individual application

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-04 Thread Martín Soto
2010/5/4 Frederik Nnaji frederik.nn...@gmail.com a) how about listing mute toggle and play/pause for relevant apps? This may be useful, maybe more so than controlling volume. a buttoned interface with columns or rows for the respective apps..with little 3 Bit digital volume meters (2 for

[Ayatana] Use cases for volume control

2010-05-04 Thread Martín Soto
Hello everyone: I just tried to collect some use cases (user stories) based on our recent discussion about volume control. Here they are: * Mary often listens to music from the computer in her room, while she's chatting with friends and browsing the web. She needs a quick way to set the

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-04 Thread Martín Soto
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Alex Launi alex.la...@gmail.com wrote: Before this discussion continues, it's essential that we define the problem we are trying to solve..-- I agree with you. I just sent a message to the list, containing a set of use cases for volume control. IMO, the

Re: [Ayatana] Use cases for volume control

2010-05-05 Thread Martín Soto
2010/5/5 Alex Launi alex.la...@gmail.com 2010/5/4 Martín Soto dons...@gmail.com [...] * Mary often listens to music from the computer in her room, while she's chatting with friends and browsing the web. She needs a quick way to set the volume to adapt it to her mood

Re: [Ayatana] Use cases for volume control

2010-05-05 Thread Martín Soto
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Ralph Green sira...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/4 Martín Soto dons...@gmail.com: * Mary often listens to music from the computer in her room, while she's chatting with friends and browsing the web. She needs a quick way to set the volume to adapt it to her

Re: [Ayatana] Use cases for volume control

2010-05-06 Thread Martín Soto
2010/5/6 Tommaso R. Donnarumma tawmas.f...@tawmas.net * Johann Sebastian wants to listen to music without interruptions. He needs a quick way to mute all sound sources except his music player. There seems to be a general need for a way to say the system please do not disturb. This also

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-12 Thread Martín Soto
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.comwrote: [...] It is awkward that we have separate system and application-specific volume settings, but I don't see how getting rid of the system volume setting would work. PulseAudio has a solution for precisely this

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-13 Thread Martín Soto
2010/5/12 Frederik Nnaji frederik.nn...@gmail.com Ensuring the alert sounds are loud enough to be heard over other sounds - -- whether by making them temporarily louder, or making the other sounds temporarily softer -- is an interesting idea, but it seems out of scope for the sound menu

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-13 Thread Martín Soto
2010/5/12 Diego Moya turi...@gmail.com The problem with automatic controls is, you still need a simple interface to override their behavior when the programmed automation provides a wrong result. Maybe you can hide them a bit, but the same options must be available. Or you implement the

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-13 Thread Martín Soto
2010/5/13 Diego Moya turi...@gmail.com If you can tell me how to do that, for all situations and usages, I think there's a Loebner prize awaiting for you. Contextual adaptation is a strong Artificial Intelligence problem. And that's precisely the reason why you don't design for all

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-13 Thread Martín Soto
2010/5/13 Diego Moya turi...@gmail.com 2010/5/13 Martín Soto: Or you implement the automation properly so that it reliably delivers the right result. The right result as defined by who? The designer or the user? By the designer, of course. It is his task to determine how the product

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-13 Thread Martín Soto
2010/5/13 Walter Wittel witt...@gmail.com Wouldn't reducing the volume of the other streams in x db below the notification be much easier to implement and achieve the goal of hearinf the notification? X could be different based on the urgency of the notification. The problem is that if those

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-20 Thread Martín Soto
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: This strikes me as being too much of a nanny. If music is already playing, and someone starts playing something else, that's their choice, isn't it? I guess it depends a lot on the situation. Suppose you´re listening to

Re: [Ayatana] Regarding the Sound Menu Spec's closing of inactive audio applications

2011-02-15 Thread Martín Soto
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Brett Cornwall brettcornw...@gmail.comwrote: Well, all that is written in the spec is: *A compliant player should also keep playing if you close its window while it is playing; exit if you close its window while it is not playing; and remember exact state

Re: [Ayatana] New natty scrollbar issues

2011-04-11 Thread Martín Soto
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Mitja Pagon mitja.pa...@inueni.comwrote: I see this scrollbars as another solution in search of a problem to solve and in the process introducing more problems than it solves. When will people realize that this is not the right approach to do things. The