Re: When are we going to get another list? (was: RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City)

2007-08-16 Thread Brian Butterworth
Chris, Finally, remember that the noise *is *the signal. You can't post too much. Deploy filters. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html On 15/08/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that description of a shill is fairly accurate myself (but then, I

Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links

2007-08-16 Thread Brian Butterworth
Sorry guys, I thought I was deploying debating skills... I really hope no-one took offense. On 15/08/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enough on this now please chaps – let's keep this nice. m On 15/8/07 11:32, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/08/07, *Simon

Re: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest

2007-08-16 Thread Brian Butterworth
Hurah, we are back to non-zero sum! On 15/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/08/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a drinks company is giving away a can of drink free at a railway station (which happens), does that entitle you to go into Sainsburys and

Re: When are we going to get another list? (was: RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City)

2007-08-16 Thread Peter Bowyer
On 16/08/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, Finally, remember that the noise is the signal. You can't post too much. Deploy filters. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html ... which has been taken retrospectively to mean 'post what you like about

RE: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest

2007-08-16 Thread Andrew Bowden
On 15/08/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a drinks company is giving away a can of drink free at a railway station (which happens), does that entitle you to go into Sainsburys and take one without paying

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-16 Thread Jason Cartwright
Does iPlayer contain Silverlight? I've not seen anything to suggest it does. What the hell does all this matter anyhow, there is no lock in. The tech is just being used to deliver the content as per spec, which it seems to be doing. Nothing is stopping the BBC ditching MS products for iPlayer at

RE: When are we going to get another list? (was: RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City)

2007-08-16 Thread Andrew Bowden
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 16 August 2007 08:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: When are we going to get another list? (was: RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th,

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-16 Thread Dave Crossland
On 16/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems the anti-DRM protests are misdirected. Why is the yellow jump-suit brigade talking to the people who actually have the power to change it? The rights holders. The BBC is being very sneaky about responsibility for the DRM: It doesn't

RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-16 Thread Andrew Bowden
On 16/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems the anti-DRM protests are misdirected. Why is the yellow jump-suit brigade talking to the people who actually have the power to change it? The rights holders. The BBC is being very sneaky about responsibility for the DRM: It

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-16 Thread Jason Cartwright
I can't imagine it would be difficult to get hold of a list of suppliers of BBC programming (in the annual report? FOI act request? Phone the commissioning dept?), then you could just ask the companies themselves (or their PR?) what their opinion on iPlayer and DRM is. FOI act won't help you here

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-16 Thread Gordon Joly
At 09:09 +0100 16/8/07, Jason Cartwright wrote: [...] iPlayer installation numbers will be tiny compared to Flash installations - you know YouTube gets many, many more visitors that bbc.co.uk? J And so it should. YouTube is commercial, part of Google, and hip. The BBC is a corporation,

Re: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest

2007-08-16 Thread Brian Butterworth
Andrew, Please don't take it the wrong way, but you seem to have a strange idea of what a discussion is about Have you not been sent to BBC re-education camp yet? By saying That's all I'm going to stay. There is no point in even debating the subject you make Auntie seem like Fox News! On

Re: When are we going to get another list? (was: RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City)

2007-08-16 Thread Matthew Cashmore
Hey all ­ was going to announce this when it was actually working ­ but I¹ve set up a new list called backstage-developer; it¹s a list totally devoted to developers and technical issues around BBC feeds and APIs ­ it will be policed to ensure this is the main aim of that list. You¹ll still be able

[backstage] From Private Eye - BBC Shock!

2007-08-16 Thread Matthew Cashmore
From last weeks Private Eye - http://www.private-eye.co.uk/ THE BBC has announced today radical new plans to show TV programmes on television sets. ³While these television sets will never replace seeing your favourite shows streamed on the internet, beamed directly to your mobile phone, or

Re: [backstage] From Private Eye - BBC Shock!

2007-08-16 Thread Frank Wales
Matthew Cashmore wrote: From last weeks Private Eye - http://www.private-eye.co.uk/ THE BBC has announced today radical new plans to show TV programmes on television sets. While these television sets will never replace seeing your favourite shows streamed on the internet, beamed directly

Re: [backstage] Can we have a developer mailing list?

2007-08-16 Thread Matthew Cashmore
Forums?... Forums??? Please let this be a typo, don't move to forums, they're horrid and yucky and smell and take far too much time to wade through the dross to get to anything of interest and people will start tagging each of their posts with bl00dy great big images of their PC systems

Re: [backstage] From Private Eye - BBC Shock!

2007-08-16 Thread Tom Scott
And the British Homeopathic League accused government boffins of watering down official research in order to hide the harmful effects of the new TV broadcasts. Wait - surely the British Homeopathic League would water down research in order to make it more effective? -- Tom - Sent via the

RE: [backstage] From Private Eye - BBC Shock!

2007-08-16 Thread Darren Stephens
But as the Homeopathic League know, watering down the research just makes it even more potent ;-) * To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to

Re: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest

2007-08-16 Thread vijay chopra
On 16/08/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The general population have an interesting respect laws and rules - demand complete and total implementation of the ones they really like, whilst ignoring the ones they don't. You only have to look at how many people break the speed limit

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-16 Thread Dave Crossland
On 16/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does iPlayer contain Silverlight? I've not seen anything to suggest it does. It might not today, but its very clear what Microsoft's web-video strategy is. There was an article in The Register today about this:

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-16 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 16/08/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does iPlayer contain Silverlight? I've not seen anything to suggest it does. It might not today, but its very clear what Microsoft's web-video strategy is. There was an article

Re: [backstage] From Private Eye - BBC Shock!

2007-08-16 Thread Frank Wales
Tom Scott wrote: Wait - surely the British Homeopathic League would water down research in order to make it more effective? The BHL don't understand the meaning of the word 'irony', but they do know that whatever it means, the more subtle it is, the more effective it is. And Debby Mengele

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-16 Thread Brian Butterworth
It's a bit late for the ISPs to moan, as Ofcom and the BBC have spent two years consulting! The BBC Trust approval noted: 3.16 Broadband costs One industry stakeholder raised concern about the impact of the BBC's proposals on broadband networks and costs. It was said that the PVT barely

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-16 Thread Martin Belam
I guess the idea is Microsoft use the BBC content (that created from licence fees) and use it to leverage their PlayReady system on multiple platforms, so the BBC can claim that the system is cross-platform, whereas people are actually asking for something that isn't owned by Bill Gates'

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-16 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 16/08/07, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the idea is Microsoft use the BBC content (that created from licence fees) and use it to leverage their PlayReady system on multiple platforms, so the BBC can claim that the system is cross-platform, whereas people are actually

Re: [backstage] Windows Media Center - BBC News works on XP MCE but not on Vista?

2007-08-16 Thread Mr I Forrester
Brian Butterworth wrote: It might be me... I tried using the Windows XP Media Center Edition's BBC News application last week and it worked fine (apart from crashing the XBox 360's extender software...) but the same application only lists the RSS feeds as a menu under Vista's Media Center,