More DRM...
http://www.betanews.com/article/The-entertainment-Industry-debuts-yet-another-DRM-scheme-Ultraviolet/1279643971?
On 19 July 2010 11:51, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:38, Nick Reynolds-FMT
nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Mo - although we didn't
On 20-Jul-2010, at 18:26, Brian Butterworth wrote:
More DRM...
http://www.betanews.com/article/The-entertainment-Industry-debuts-yet-another-DRM-scheme-Ultraviolet/1279643971?
The mind boggles. A lot of it sounds like Marlin (even down to the wide range
of industry partners, including
[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mo McRoberts
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To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
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On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 19:27, Nick Reynolds-FMT
nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
glossing over details which might not seem important
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:38, Nick Reynolds-FMT
nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Mo - although we didn't publish your article on the blog I did circulate
it to other colleagues in the BBC and I was pleased to see it published
in the Guardian. We also linked to it from the blog when it was
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:07, Nick Reynolds-FMT
nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
In the case of Erik's post that you mention all we are actually doing is
cross posting to it on the Internet blog. So the editor of the About The
BBC blog has editorial responsibility for it because it was published
McRoberts
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Subject: Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:07, Nick Reynolds-FMT
nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
In the case of Erik's post that you mention all we are actually doing
is cross posting
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 19:27, Nick Reynolds-FMT
nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
glossing over details which might not seem important but are
What does or does not seem important is a matter of interpretation and
is in the eye of the beholder...
Not really...
What does this mean for consumers
What does this mean for consumers in real terms? is pretty important
-- that's why I wrote the guardian article (can't think of
a better way to refer to that piece, sorry).
The Grauniad recital =D
I'll get my coat
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A HUGE aside here, but still relevant given the previous discussion of the
traditional royalty share model and how it favours the labels.
I work for a (fairly small) indie label - from witnessing this model in
action I feel I have to stick up for the label given that I see the model
working (or
Of Paul Battley
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On 13 July 2010 16:43, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
6. I don't understand your point. The purpose of these measures is to
keep honest people honest.
I
McRoberts
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Subject: Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 16:43, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk
wrote:
Hi Mo,
I am going out this evening so will be away from a computer.
However I thought I would try
I think it is a kind of slippery slope - one day you're making a personal
archive of a TV programme, the next you are publishing it all on the internet
for your friends - even this which might seem harmless might prevent a rights
holder setting up their own website to do the same thing
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:10, Nick Reynolds-FMT
nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
I think it is a kind of slippery slope - one day you're making a personal
archive of a TV programme, the next you are publishing it all on the internet
for your friends - even this which might seem harmless might
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Nick Reynolds-FMT
nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
People say there's nothing people can do about this but Pirate Bay was
closed down and fined heavily and I haven't seen much about them since.
Perhaps you haven't heard much about them in the news, but they
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:15, Nick Reynolds-FMT
nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
I don't write other people's posts on the blog I only write my own.
Okay, just so we're clear (and as a minor educational exercise in
behind-the-scenes-on-the-Internet-Blog) - a post from, say, Erik
Huggers (like the
: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
I think it is a kind of slippery slope - one day you're making a
personal archive of a TV programme, the next you are publishing it all
on the internet for your friends - even this which might seem harmless
might prevent a rights holder setting up
You'd be surprised - they do (think it's a concern)
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On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:33, Nick Reynolds-FMT
nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
What I'm describing is not home taping - it's publishing - the internet
makes everything different
The point is -- the leap from 'having recorded some programmes' to
'publishing them on the Internet' isn't a small
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:10, Nick Reynolds-FMT
nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
I think it is a kind of slippery slope - one day you're making a personal
archive of a TV programme, the next you are publishing it all on the internet
for your friends - even this which might seem harmless might
entirely.
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Subject: Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:15, Nick Reynolds
I know users of the site who have had nasty letters from solicitors
telling them to pay £300+ for a single album they torrented, etc.
So I think users may notice a difference in that regard.
Yes these guy's are saints.
But as they say in Britain, “where there’s muck, there’s brass”, and
The internet doesn't make anything different. Not anymore.
It is exactly the same as the physical world but bigger and more connected.
The publishers should be educated at the same time as they would benefit from
being open and educating their customers.
Surely the apparent subterfuge goes to
by your assertion that we do.
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Subject: Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
A delayed reply
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 16:43, Nick Reynolds-FMT
nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Hi Mo,
I am going out this evening so will be away from a computer.
However I thought I would try and give you a quick response to some of
your questions.
1. Because I didn't know it was happening until after
On 13 July 2010 16:43, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
6. I don't understand your point. The purpose of these measures is to
keep honest people honest.
I don't understand this keep honest people honest thing. Is the BBC
saving people from themselves, just in case they might be
Gareth,
You can force the WMC to use the Freeview EPG on individual channels, but
the guide you get by default is more .. comprehensive.
On 16 June 2010 12:01, Gareth Davis gareth.da...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
On 16 Jun 2010, at 08:15, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv
wrote:
On 16 June
It's only on the EPG anyway, even Windows Media Centre will bypass it, as it
uses the DigiGuide one. Or record the whole audio-video stream and use an
edit package. Or pause/record the old fashioned way.
On 14 June 2010 18:30, Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.net wrote:
So is this just going
David,
As we have not actually seen the real Ofcom response yet, I don't know the
answers to your questions. But asking the legal position was my one and
only response to the consultation, so it will be interesting to hear it.
If I had the resources I would launch a judicial review, as this is
On 16 Jun 2010, at 07:11, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote:
It's only on the EPG anyway, even Windows Media Centre will bypass it, as it
uses the DigiGuide one. Or record the whole audio-video stream and use an
edit package. Or pause/record the old fashioned way.
Deviation
On 16 June 2010 07:54, Paul Webster p...@dabdig.com wrote:
On 16 Jun 2010, at 07:11, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote:
It's only on the EPG anyway, even Windows Media Centre will bypass it, as
it uses the DigiGuide one. Or record the whole audio-video stream and use
an edit
The published document is here:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/content_mngt/statement/statement.pdf
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/content_mngt/statement/The
legal nonsense in section 2 clearly shows how unclear the legal position is.
On 16 June 2010 06:38, David Tomlinson
Brian Butterworth wrote:
It's only on the EPG anyway, even Windows Media Centre will bypass it,
as it uses the DigiGuide one. Or record the whole audio-video stream
and use an edit package. Or pause/record the old fashioned way.
To expand my argument (as you have seen my previous post).
a honest
position, honestly held.
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Subject: Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
On 15-Jun-2010, at 22
Brian Butterworth wrote:
The published document is here:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/content_mngt/statement/statement.pdf
Section 2.18
Ofcom is mindful that it does not have a power to include conditions in
the Multiplex B licence relating to content management per se. Ofcom
On 16/06/10 07:11, Brian Butterworth wrote:
It's only on the EPG anyway, even Windows Media Centre will bypass it,
as it uses the DigiGuide one. Or record the whole audio-video stream
and use an edit package. Or pause/record the old fashioned way.
And how long will the Radio Times XML
Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk writes:
It's so hard for me currently to get SD content off my PVR
and on to
my iPod that I've never done it.
This is easy enough to automate however you like if you're
using a software PVR such as MythTV -- it's the only way I
listen to radio
Brian Butterworth wrote:
If I had the resources I would launch a judicial review, as this is
an appalling situation for Auntie.
I too don't have the resources for a judicial review, perhaps the BBC
should test the legal position it's self (judicial review), or the Open
Rights Group may
On 16 Jun 2010, at 08:15, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv
wrote:
On 16 June 2010 07:54, Paul Webster p...@dabdig.com wrote:
On 16 Jun 2010, at 07:11, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv
wrote:
It's only on the EPG anyway, even Windows Media Centre will bypass
it, as it
I would assume that the rules for content protection would bar user created
plugins from having access to the data. The Ofcom document had some comments
from content providers about updates to the tables being necessary in the
future if it gets broken, but it doesn't look like there are any firm
On 15 Jun 2010, at 09:53, Mo McRoberts wrote:
either way, they'd just get reverse-engineered again. they could push
out new tables every week, but they went to lengths to explain how the
one they have was specially-generated to be wonderfully optimised (in
order to qualify as being some kind
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[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Adam Bradley
Sent: 15 June 2010 15:14
To: backstage
Subject: Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
the BBC
On 06/15/2010 03:21 PM, Andrew Bowden wrote:
We can argue around this one as much as we want but I'm afraid there's one
simple truth. Most people don't care one bit and just want to watch their
programme.
They do. And they won't take long to work out that technology, content
and services
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 15:49, Nick Reynolds-FMT
nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
The BBC had a choice
a) do nothing and run the risk of content not be available to licence fee
payers
b) do something which does achieve the desired effect and has a very small
negative impact on a very small
On 06/15/2010 02:08 PM, Andrew Bowden wrote:
If the alternative was this system did not exist and rights holders told
broadcasters (for this is not just a BBC issue) that the broadcaster
could not broadcast their content in HD on the Freeview platform...
They threatened something like this
_however_, who do people like Graham Plumb work for? AFAIK,
he's BBC proper, not the subsidiary. _The Corporation_ has
made representations in favour of this idea (rather PR-heavy
representations, at that - possibly the single aspect of this
I'm least happy about).
In some situations
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 15:57, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 15:49, Nick Reynolds-FMT
nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
The BBC had a choice
a) do nothing and run the risk of content not be available to licence fee
payers
b) do something which does achieve the
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 15:49, Nick Reynolds-FMT
nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
The BBC had a choice
a) do nothing and run the risk of content not be available to licence fee
payers
b) do something which does
[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Adam Bradley
Sent: 15 June 2010 15:14
To: backstage
Subject: Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
the BBC had a choice:
a) do nothing
b) do
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:16, Adam Bradley a...@doublegeek.com wrote:
If the desired effect was to limit what the average consumer can do with TV
- i.e. only making one recording, and limiting how they can transfer this
around their home - then it looks like it could achieve it. This ensures
a) broadcast in other countries without this scheme or an
equivalent
b) distributed widely prior to it hitting the UK
And on BBC HD on satellite to the UK and large parts of Europe.
The horse-and-cart makers still can't stand the existence of the car...
Won't be long until the DRM is
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:16, Adam Bradley a...@doublegeek.com wrote:
If the desired effect was to limit what the average consumer can do with TV
- i.e. only making one recording, and limiting how they can transfer this
around their home - then it looks like it could achieve it. This ensures
On 15 June 2010 16:23, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
why can I not watch Freeview HD on my (slightly older) HD TV?
This (HDCP) is one of the restrictions I understand the least. It's
like screwing shut the cat-flap (the DVI/HDMI signal) when the door
(unencrypted broadcasts) is open. If
From: Adam Bradley
Similar questions to Andrew's above will be asked, of course.
Why can't I record this TV show?,
Unless I've missed something (and I'm sure someone will tell me if I
have!) there's no proposals on the table to prevent people from
recording HD content - as long as the user
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:37, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
From: Adam Bradley
Similar questions to Andrew's above will be asked, of course.
Why can't I record this TV show?,
Unless I've missed something (and I'm sure someone will tell me if I
have!) there's no proposals on
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.ukwrote:
From: Adam Bradley
Similar questions to Andrew's above will be asked, of course.
Why can't I record this TV show?,
Unless I've missed something (and I'm sure someone will tell me if I
have!) there's no proposals
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:33, Paul Battley pbatt...@gmail.com wrote:
On 15 June 2010 16:23, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
why can I not watch Freeview HD on my (slightly older) HD TV?
This (HDCP) is one of the restrictions I understand the least. It's
like screwing shut the cat-flap
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:48, Adam Bradley a...@doublegeek.com wrote:
Point taken, but it would be nice if someone made it easy in future and this
just makes it less likely.
Perhaps Why can't I stream this on my network player upstairs would be a
more likely question in the future.
Oh, but
American TV producers and film companies used the same argument a few years
back that if the broadcast flag wasn't allowed then they wouldn't allow HD
content to be broadcast on non-encrypted channels. Congress rejected the use
of the broadcast flag and American producers caved in and allowed
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:37, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Ease of use aside, even the iPhone 4 doesn't really have the screen
resolution to require HD content - will many handheld devices really
need HD?
The Archos 7 Home Tablet handles 720p. I would expect HD capability to
Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk writes:
It's so hard for me currently to get SD content off my PVR and on to
my iPod that I've never done it.
This is easy enough to automate however you like if you're using a
software PVR such as MythTV -- it's the only way I listen to radio these
days.
On 15-Jun-2010, at 20:34, Adam Sampson wrote:
While I'm sure the Huffman tables will be reverse-engineered soon
enough, it'd be much better if I, as a license fee payer, could obtain a
legal copy from the BBC for my personal use. UK copyright law is already
very clear on exactly what I'm
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Subject: Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk writes:
It's so hard for me currently to get SD content off my PVR and on to
my iPod that I've never done it.
This is easy enough to automate however you like if you're using a
software PVR
Subject: Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 15:57, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 15:49, Nick Reynolds-FMT
nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
The BBC had a choice
a) do nothing and run the risk of content not be available
Nor does it contradict anything I said either!
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On 15-Jun-2010, at 21:13, Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote:
Nor does it contradict anything I said either!
through omission, no. that’s hardly a ringing endorsement, is it?
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Panasonic HD avert on ITV right after the match just now said record HD TV
(Freesat or Freeview) to BluRay and save forever
Paul
Omission from who?
Me?
Or the person quoted?
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On 15-Jun-2010, at 20:58, Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote:
With respect to you Mo presumably this person who wrote this comment on
the Media Guardian story doesn't understand it either:
those caveats, which make quite a significant difference:
nwhitfield
14 Jun 2010, 7:04PM
My understanding is
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On 15-Jun-2010, at 21:13, Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote:
Nor does it contradict anything I said either!
through omission
On 15-Jun-2010, at 21:38, Mo McRoberts wrote:
On 15-Jun-2010, at 20:58, Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote:
With respect to you Mo presumably this person who wrote this comment on
the Media Guardian story doesn't understand it either:
those caveats, which make quite a significant difference:
it work.
So no problem then.
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On 15-Jun-2010
right,
I’m going to level with you all:
I’m tired. very tired. I’m juggling a day-job building e-commerce websites with
a hobby helping to build some very very cool things, and I’ve put an awful lot
of time and effort into questioning, gaining understanding of and explaining
this whole
People won't miss something they never knew they had in the first place
especially if they are able
to do all the things they can now, which it appears they will be
damn, someone invented the car and forgot to tell anyone. still we won't miss
what we never knew...
or miss seems an odd word
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right,
Im going to level with you all:
Im tired. very tired. Im juggling a day-job building e-commerce websites with
a hobby helping to build some very very cool things, and Ive put an awful lot
of time and effort
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right,
I'm going to level with you all:
I'm tired. very tired. I'm juggling a day-job
On 06/15/2010 10:11 PM, Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote:
People won't miss something
they never knew they had in the first place especially if they are able
to do all the things they can now, which it appears they will be.
They'll find out soon enough, they're not, and it doesn't.
This is a problem.
On 15-Jun-2010, at 22:41, Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote:
The BBC has made its position quite clear on the blog - not once but
several times. We have been straight about it as you can see from these
blog posts, not just recently but as far back as April last year (see
Danielle Nagler's post in the
Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote:
Well as always I suspect we will argue about this until the cows come
home and not resolve it.
No what the BBC is doing is illegal under European law, (encrypting the
broadcast - the EPG is broadcast), or at least, failing a legal opinion,
in breach of the spirit of
#FAIL
http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-freeview-allowed-to-use-drm-to-curtail-online-piracy/
http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-freeview-allowed-to-use-drm-to-curtail-online-piracy/Not
much of a shock really. Or much use for the stated purpose.
--
Brian Butterworth
follow me on
On 14-Jun-2010, at 17:31, Brian Butterworth wrote:
#FAIL
http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-freeview-allowed-to-use-drm-to-curtail-online-piracy/
Not much of a shock really. Or much use for the stated purpose.
+2
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On 14-Jun-2010, at 18:14, Alex Cockell wrote:
So i'll have to buy box after box to watch content?
doubtful. those which have been sold for FVHD already will have in-built
support for the mechanism (it's specced by the ETSI DVB standards), but will
likely need an update to get the decoding
So is this just going to be another region-coding like affair where
'people' release cracked firmware or just press a few magic button
sequences on their remote to remove this protection? And what about
those vendors who sell DVRs that have community contributed plugins
(e.g. like Topfield
People might be interested that in the ORG perspective:
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Subject: Re: [ORG-discuss] ofcom drm bbc consultation - redux
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:14:47 +
From: Jim Killock j...@openrightsgroup.org
Reply-To: Open Rights Group open discussion list
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 15:58, Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net wrote:
People might be interested that in the ORG perspective:
For what it's worth, I was in discussions with Jim prior to that
meeting, and put together a document for him outlining the situation
and the issues that I'd turned up
Out of interest, has anyone done a proper legal search on the proposals?
I'm under the impression that the mandate that puts all public service
content out without any form of proection is in primary legislation, various
Broadcasting Acts and Wireless Telegraphy Acts.
Ofcom's powers are limited
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 16:26, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote:
Out of interest, has anyone done a proper legal search on the proposals?
I'm under the impression that the mandate that puts all public service
content out without any form of proection is in primary legislation,
Interesting.
2010/1/26 Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net
I did do some digging, though IANAL and it was only a cursory
high-level search (and it was a while ago)
From memory, though, and this is just my skim-understanding: primary
legislation covers EPG services as well as TV channels
On 26-Jan-2010, at 17:20, Brian Butterworth wrote:
It should be noted that the content management approach implemented for
Freeview HD will frequently enable far more extensive copying and
distribution of broadcast content than is likely to be considered acceptable
to the majority of
On 26-Jan-2010, at 16:20, Mo McRoberts wrote:
If I remember later, I'll dig it out and post it to this thread. It
made for a reasonable semi-executive summary, even if it wasn't quite
as diplomatic as it might be if it were addressed to BBC senior
management, for example ;)
And without
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Mo McRoberts wrote:
It’s almost as though Ofcom
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Mo McRoberts wrote:
It’s almost as though Ofcom (and the BBC, and
distributors) believe the illicit file-sharing is bound by
geographical restrictions, though that’s so crazy it can’t possibly
be true…
Are you suggesting
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It’s almost as though Ofcom (and the BBC, and
distributors) believe the illicit file-sharing is bound
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*Subject:* Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
Given it a go, going to Tweet it and things.
2010/1/25 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk
Hummm what's this I spy here -
http
Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote at 19:35 on 2010-01-22:
On 22-Jan-2010, at 18:55, Steffan Davies wrote:
Oh, definitely. I wasn't saying that would be a good implementation,
just that it might permit appliance makers to comply without having to
reinvent the wheel entirely (which
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 15:07, Steffan Davies st...@steff.name wrote:
Couldn't agree more - the idea is daft and my suggestion was purely a
implementation suggestion in the light of that daftery. Quite HD is so
intrinsically different from standard DVB-T that it needs to be
encumbered in this
Mo McRoberts wrote:
It’s almost as though Ofcom (and the BBC, and
distributors) believe the illicit file-sharing is bound by
geographical restrictions, though that’s so crazy it can’t possibly
be true…
Are you suggesting that these organizations don't fully understand
the media landscape
People on the list may be interested in this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_manag
ement.html
Nick Reynolds (Editor, Social Media, Central Editorial Team, BBC Online)
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Ah, the Irish Euro Referendum all over again.
2010/1/22 Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk
People on the list may be interested in this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_management.html
Nick Reynolds (Editor, Social Media, Central Editorial Team,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_manag
ement.html
Overall, we believe the proposed system takes a highly pragmatic approach
to content management
Why do people always use pragmatic as a synonym for complicit?
Indeed, the proposed Freeview HD content
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 13:08, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:
Holding a new service hostage is a convenient way of achieving this.
Maybe they could just scrap Freeview HD all together and bring back
the interactive services. If you want HD then you need Satellite or
Cable, much in the
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