Andrew Bowden wrote:
It's also got to be said that the majority of people on a mailing list
don't post. I don't know the stats for this list, but I'm on a mailing
list of 300 people, about 20 of which post regularly. There's a lot of
readers, and occassionally some of them post, but mostly
suitable for discussion. I'd definitely subscribe to (and participate in)
both!
Cheers
Christopher
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From: Gordon Joly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 August 2007 21:17
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow
On 16/08/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chris,
Finally, remember that the noise is the signal. You can't post too much.
Deploy filters.
http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html
... which has been taken retrospectively to mean 'post what you like
about
Does iPlayer contain Silverlight? I've not seen anything to suggest it does.
What the hell does all this matter anyhow, there is no lock in. The tech is
just being used to deliver the content as per spec, which it seems to be
doing. Nothing is stopping the BBC ditching MS products for iPlayer at
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 16 August 2007 08:47
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: When are we going to get another list? (was: RE:
[backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10
On 16/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seems the anti-DRM protests are misdirected. Why is the yellow jump-suit
brigade talking to the people who actually have the power to change it? The
rights holders.
The BBC is being very sneaky about responsibility for the DRM:
It doesn't
On 16/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seems the anti-DRM protests are misdirected. Why is the yellow
jump-suit brigade talking to the people who actually have
the power to
change it? The rights holders.
The BBC is being very sneaky about responsibility for the DRM:
It
I can't imagine it would be difficult to get hold of a list of suppliers of
BBC programming (in the annual report? FOI act request? Phone the
commissioning dept?), then you could just ask the companies themselves (or
their PR?) what their opinion on iPlayer and DRM is.
FOI act won't help you here
At 09:09 +0100 16/8/07, Jason Cartwright wrote:
[...]
iPlayer installation numbers will be tiny compared to Flash installations -
you know YouTube gets many, many more visitors that bbc.co.uk?
J
And so it should. YouTube is commercial, part of Google, and hip.
The BBC is a corporation,
iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City)
Chris,
Finally, remember that the noise is the signal. You can't post too much.
Deploy filters.
http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html
For my sins, I've been involved with online communities since
On 16/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does iPlayer contain Silverlight? I've not seen anything to suggest it does.
It might not today, but its very clear what Microsoft's web-video strategy is.
There was an article in The Register today about this:
On 16/08/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 16/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does iPlayer contain Silverlight? I've not seen anything to suggest it
does.
It might not today, but its very clear what Microsoft's web-video strategy
is.
There was an article
: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th,
10:30AM, White City
That will be the fact that less than 1% of the planet's population
lives in the UK?
YouTube has almost as much UK traffic as bbc.co.uk [1]. bbc.co.uk content
is used/marketed/referred to overseas by BBC Worldwide
I guess the idea is Microsoft use the BBC content (that created
from licence fees) and use it to leverage their PlayReady system on
multiple platforms, so the BBC can claim that the system is
cross-platform, whereas people are actually asking for something that
isn't owned by Bill Gates'
On 16/08/07, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I guess the idea is Microsoft use the BBC content (that created
from licence fees) and use it to leverage their PlayReady system on
multiple platforms, so the BBC can claim that the system is
cross-platform, whereas people are actually
Whereas, looking at the photos indicates that 20 is an exaggeration of
about 100%.
Cheers,
R.
On 8/15/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
More likely, Organisers put the turnout at 800...
R.
On 8/15/07, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Presumably on the news we'll get the
@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th,
10:30AM, White City
More likely, Organisers put the turnout at 800...
R.
On 8/15/07, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Presumably on the news we'll get the traditional 10+% rule of
Organisers put the turnout
Well. When I was interviewing at about 10:45 there were 12 people there
(that's when I took the photos) Ian then came down when I left and he came
back and said there were about 20 people there after others joined.
m
On 15/8/07 16:54, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whereas,
It seems you made it to the slashdot frontpage!
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/15/1721229
Vijay
On 15/08/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well. When I was interviewing at about 10:45 there were 12 people
there
(that's when I took the photos) Ian then came down
Dear Dave,
Who is Dan Lyons?
What is a shill?
Who is M...?
Namaste
Paul Daniel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 15 August 2007 18:33
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow
Dan Lyons is a well known Microsoft shill.
Who said outing him would spoil the Fake Steve Jobs fun?
Although I do still like the fact that people put serious comments in
reply to the posts, kind of like writing to one of the characters in
Monkey Dust to set them straight about something :-)
From /.
An anonymous reader writes The future of iPlayer, the BBC's new
online on-demand system for delivering content, is continuing to look
bleaker. With ISPs threatening to throttle the content delivered
through the iPlayer, consumers petitioning the UK government and the
BBC to drop the DRM
On 15/08/07, Paul Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Dave,
Who is Dan Lyons?
A journalist for Forbes who has constantly attacked the software
freedom movement.
What is a shill?
A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a
political group, who pretends no association
On 14/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The irony is that it probably doesn't matter now. They could now download it
using their Windows XP machine in DRMed Windows Media Format.
All thanks to our new overlord Bill, and his maniacal scheme to take over
the BBC from the inside.
At 19:44 +0100 15/8/07, Dave Crossland wrote:
On 15/08/07, Paul Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Dave,
Who is Dan Lyons?
A journalist for Forbes who has constantly attacked the software
freedom movement.
What is a shill?
A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services
: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow,
Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City
At 19:44 +0100 15/8/07, Dave Crossland wrote:
On 15/08/07, Paul Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Dave,
Who is Dan Lyons?
A journalist for Forbes who has constantly attacked the software
freedom movement
Hi Andy - that's really informative - thanks very much :-)
m
On 13/8/07 21:27, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 13/08/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cool Perhaps someone would like to post to the list why this protest is
happening, what it's aims are (if any) and what are
So - is there anyone there? (And if so, are they getting wet?)
Cheers,
Rich.
On 8/14/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Andy - that's really informative - thanks very much :-)
m
On 13/8/07 21:27, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 13/08/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL
So - is there anyone there? (And if so, are they getting wet?)
What do we want?
Umberellas!
When do we want them?
Now!
(Actually right now in glorious W12, the rain seems to have ceased.)
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: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden
Sent: 14 August 2007 11:25
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM,
White City
So - is there anyone there? (And if so, are they getting wet?)
What do we want
On Tue, 2007-08-14 at 12:32 +0100, Ian Forrester wrote:
Yep we were there along with about another 20 people.
Ian Forrester
And you were talking about 500, scaring the life out of Erik :)
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Ian Forrester wrote:
Yep we were there along with about another 20 people.
So were they making a point or trying to make a difference?
David
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Photos already up on flickr over here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157601436583881/
And here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/sets/72157601430492360/
m
On 14/8/07 13:07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ian Forrester wrote:
Yep we were there along with
A handful here at Manchester NBH, and yes, they're getting pretty
soaked.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 14 August 2007 11:14
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow
An aside
My favourite BBC protest ever: Archers fans complaining about changing
the time of the show. Marched up Regent Street with placards, stopped
traffic, whilst chanting
What do we want? the Archers! When do we want it? Now! What do we say? Please!'
What do we want?
Umberellas!
When do
An aside
My favourite BBC protest ever: Archers fans complaining about
changing the time of the show. Marched up Regent Street with
placards, stopped traffic, whilst chanting What do we want?
the Archers! When do we want it? Now! What do we say? Please!'
:)
Were they marching at the
The irony is that it probably doesn't matter now. They could now download it
using their Windows XP machine in DRMed Windows Media Format.
All thanks to our new overlord Bill, and his maniacal scheme to take over
the BBC from the inside.
J
On 14/8/07 14:21, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can I use one of these photos on my site? Are the CC licenced?
On 14/08/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Photos already up on flickr over here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157601436583881/
And here
Mr Butterworth :-)
As you¹ll see from the flickr streams themselves.. All our photos are
released under Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0
Knock yourself out within that licence.
m
On 14/8/07 14:50, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can I use one of these photos on my site?
Brian Butterworth wrote:
Can I use one of these photos on my site? Are the CC licenced?
If you look at any of the photos, you'll see the CC licence they are under
(by-nc-sa) on the right hand side of the page.
ATB,
Matthew
On 14/08/07, *Matthew Cashmore* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL
They're not mine, but both are listed as CC Att-NonComm-ShareAlike on
the site.
shorttermmemoryloss.com
Brian Butterworth wrote:
Can I use one of these photos on my site? Are the CC licenced?
On 14/08/07, *Matthew Cashmore* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Photos
Thanks.
I thought I was being humorous - it would be deeply ironic if pictures of a
protest outside Auntie's TV HQ about DRM were copyrighted...
On 14/08/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mr Butterworth :-)
As you'll see from the flickr streams themselves.. All our photos are
Brian Butterworth wrote:
Thanks.
I thought I was being humorous - it would be deeply ironic if pictures
of a protest outside Auntie's TV HQ about DRM were copyrighted...
They are copyrighted. They are also licensed.
Anti-DRM isn't anti-copyright. Most anti-DRM sentiment opposes the:
You
David,
Yeah, I know. Which is also ironic...
On 14/08/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brian Butterworth wrote:
Thanks.
I thought I was being humorous - it would be deeply ironic if pictures
of a protest outside Auntie's TV HQ about DRM were copyrighted...
They are
On 14/08/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ian Forrester wrote:
Yep we were there along with about another 20 people.
So were they making a point or trying to make a difference?
I believe the additional media coverage of the unconscionable
restrictions in the iPlayer will make a
On 13/08/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And we'll be out there - backstage tshirts on hand, and doing some
interviews.
Cool! :-)
But why is it happening outside TVC? I'm sure it's already been said
elsewhere but... FMT are in the Broadcast Centre, 1/2 mile up the road?
I
Because it is only intended to make a point, not make a difference.
On 13/08/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And we'll be out there - backstage tshirts on hand, and doing some
interviews.
But why is it happening outside TVC? I'm sure it's already been said
elsewhere but... FMT
On 13/8/07 14:55, Peter Bowyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because it is only intended to make a point, not make a difference.
Cool Perhaps someone would like to post to the list why this protest is
happening, what it's aims are (if any) and what are the points that the
group would like to
I'm wondering if the police will be able to continue protecting us from
terrorwrists if they have to police an iPlayer DRM demo?
On 13/08/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To my cynical mind, this translates as there isn't going to be a
noticeable number of people there.
Cheers,
On 13/08/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm wondering if the police will be able to continue protecting us from
terrorwrists if they have to police an iPlayer DRM demo?
Yeah dude, its going to turn violent, for sure.
lol
--
Regards,
Dave
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On 13/08/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cool Perhaps someone would like to post to the list why this protest is
happening, what it's aims are (if any) and what are the points that the
group would like to get across are?
You could try the groups website(s).
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