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On 29 Dec 2010 at 9:16, atheistchallen...@gmail.com wrote:
Sen, you are a Muslim.
;)
Why thank you! Salaam
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All is to be yielded up,
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This is part of a McCarthyite attack on academia that has been going
on for the last decade.
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Iskandar Hai, M.D.
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Instead of making a blanket statement, try to analyze and discuss the points
that are made and argued one by one.
Here is a different news report:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101229/ap_on_re_eu/eu_denmark_terror_arrests
What a wonderful religion.
Best regards
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Instead of making a blanket statement, try to analyze and discuss the
points that are made and argued one by one.
Here is a different news report:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101229/ap_on_re_eu/eu_denmark_terror_arrests
What a wonderful religion
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What a wonderful religion.
My religion is Baha'i which teaches us to respect Islam.
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For more on Geller and Robert Spencer
http://www.loonwatch.com/
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Iskandar Hai, M.D.
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I carefully watched the entire video and
found nothing in it against academics.
Really? I found the part attacking academics in the first two minutes.
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Susan, you are lying. You are not a Bahai.
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The inability to remove people from the list is also a lie, and part of your
and the other list master's agenda to spread Islam.
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You're such an obvious troll. Is this the kind of tactic that the IRI is
teaching you guys now? Pointing fingers and telling people they aren't such and
such?
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On Dec 29, 2010, at 12:21 PM, atheistchallen...@gmail.com wrote:
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Unfortunately I don't have a source for this hadith, but I really liked it.
I am also searching for a Baha'i quote similar to this passage, so if anyone
feels up to it, please reply with that quote.
One day the Prophet (sas) and the sahabas (ra) were sitting around.
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about the existence of vioelnce in banu-Qurazah incident and He decried and
condemned it.
He did not condemn it. He indicated He was broken-hearted by it
despite the fact it was in accordance with Divine Justice.
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Stating the facts is not an attack.
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote:
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The points that are made on the video are based on the text of the Quran.
Irrefutable.
And since when do Baha'is support
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Bahaullah split from Islam over the statements in the Quran about Jihad and
over Muslim violence against the Jews.
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So, are you saying that the Baha'i Faith endorses Jihad?
Baha'u'llah clearly abrogated religious warfare, jihad. That's condemnation,
for now and into the future.
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote:
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Bahai teaches the Muslims are not forgiven, that's why Bahais abrogated Quran.
Bahai is completely independent of Islam and Quran.
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Unfortunately, this list has long ceased to be a list for Baha'i studies.
I don't think much will be lost by closing it down altogether.
Sometimes, right-wing Evangelicals can tell some truths. I'm not interested
in their lies, just the facts and truths.
Best regards,
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Where does it say that Muslims are not forgiven? For what?
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 2:00 PM, atheistchallen...@gmail.com wrote:
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Bahai teaches the Muslims are not forgiven, that's why Bahais abrogated
Quran. Bahai is completely independent
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The Bahai Faith clearly endorses the military actions of Muhammad and
the early Muslims (for example, the section on Muhammad in Some
Answered Questions) or the actions of Imam Husayn on the battlefield.
And we've already discussed the concept of righteous warfare which
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Muslims at it again, trying to justify their violence by says others accept it
and endorse it.
Luckily for Bahaists Bahaullah said the Allah of Islam is a myth.
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Iskandar,
Muslims have to put away their Qurans, or at least put them on the shelf with
copies of L Ron Hubbard books.
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First, I have to note that you did not answer Iskandar's question. I have
no source, either, but I do vaguely remember reading something to the effect
that Islam will be forgotten in the future - I think it as referring to the
suffering inflicted on The Bab, Babi's,
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Sent: 29 December 2010 19:01
Unfortunately, this list has long ceased to be a list for Baha'i studies.
Best regards,
Iskandar
The only way this list would have useful purpose is for folk to read some texts
together and ask
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CHAPTER I:
INTERPRETATION OF THE QUR'AN
The task of interpreting the Qur'an is a delicate one. Many interpretations
have been written, generally concluding with the phrase: God and His Apostle
alone know the truth. The statement indicates that the
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CHAPTER II:
THE ADVENT OF TWO GREAT MANIFESTATIONS
In all of the Holy Books, the advent of two great Manifestations of God is
foretold. In the Qur'an this coming is called, among other names, the Great
Announcement. To the Muslims, these two great
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Just warfare is in the context of collective security, in order to stop an
aggressor. Very different from religious warfare (jihad) or holy war. Jihad is
quite ugly and unholy, and its use is to force people into accepting your
religion. Categorically abolished,
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On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Iskandar Hai, M.D.
iskandar@gmail.com wrote:
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Just warfare is in the context of collective security, in order to stop an
aggressor.
So is jihad when properly understood. That's actually the point of
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Raiding a trading caravan is an offensive war.
What `Abdu'i-Baha is saying applies to Muhammad's defensive wars. But there
were offensive wars as well.
You don't understand the issue of collective security and just war. Jihad is
religious warfare. A different
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On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Iskandar Hai, M.D.
iskandar@gmail.com wrote:
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Raiding a trading caravan is an offensive war.
Are you saying that caravans were raided in the time of Muhammad under
his command?
What `Abdu'i-Baha is
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Muslims will also say that suicide attacks are defensive in nature because the
west first invaded Arab countries (isreal).
Give it a rest. There is nothing defensive about Islamic warfare.
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Bahais always support attacks on Quran. But the Quran is not especially
singled out as all religions are fairytales. The Jew and Hindu books are even
more dangerous than Quran.
Why else would Bahais have new books of their own if the Quran was so good?
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Muslims will also say that suicide attacks are defensive in nature
because the west first invaded Arab countries (isreal).
Americans say the invasion of Iraq was defensive because . . . . .
Actually, I don't remember why.
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Americans say the invasion of Iraq was defensive because . . . . .
Actually, I don't remember why.
Because Saddam might attack us with his non-existent weapons of mass
destruction.
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The unforgivable sin is hating the light. There are those who didnt
recognise the manifestation who were forgiven. Even those who cursed the
manifestations who repented and were forgiven. It is despising the light.
Read some answered questions blasphemy against the holy
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Actually, there were a series of raids on Meccan caravans in the first 1-2
years of hijrah; and one of them occurred during the forbidden month of
Rajab (I think it was the Nakhlah raid), one of them precipitated Badr. It's
all in ibn-e ishaq and Tabari, and Bukhari,
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On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Iskandar Hai, M.D.
iskandar@gmail.com wrote:
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Actually, there were a series of raids on Meccan caravans in the first 1-2
years of hijrah; and one of them occurred during the forbidden month of
Rajab
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I'm not sure if I'd agree.
I'd say that some or most of the laws of Shari`ah belong to the dust bin of
history but there are inspirational passages in the Quran that will be
eternal. And in the Bible, etc. Unfortunately, most have ignored the
inspirational passages and
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Was somebody else approving the raids?
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Gilberto Simpson
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On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Iskandar Hai, M.D.
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It may be that the college only permits list owners to have those
privileges, and only permits people to be list owners who are affiliated w/
the college.
No, the problem has to do with the fact that when they moved the list
over to a different server I could never
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What `Abdu'l-Baha endorses is the defensive wars in early Islam. But there
were offensive raids, etc. too.
Abdu'l-Baha insisted that all of Muhammad's actions were defensive. If
you want to argue with Him about that, be my guest.
For my part I'm going to do
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Just warfare is in the context of collective security, in order to stop an
aggressor.
So is jihad when properly understood. That's actually the point of SAQ:
Looks like Gilberto knows the Writings better than you do, Iskandar.
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I'm asking because I honestly don't know what you believe. If you are
refering to one or two years after the hijrah then the Prophet
Muhammad would have still been alive and in charge, not Umar(ra) and
it gives the impression that you as a Bahai are criticizing someone
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I am just stating the facts. You draw your own conclusions. So, the raids
were ordered by Muhammad himself. Right? The Baha'i concept of Manifestation
of God is irrelevant here. Or, maybe I am a Baha'i that is quite selective
in his beliefs just like you who are so
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`Abdu'l-Baha's comments in SAQ are for apologetic purposes, Susan. For a
Christian audience.
So you don't believe He was telling the truth?
And since when is `Abdu'l-Baha an infallible source in
matters of history, especially ancient history? Or, are you saying
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`Abdu'l-Baha's comments in SAQ are for apologetic purposes, Susan. For a
Christian audience.
So you don't believe He was telling the truth?
He was telling the truth as He knew it. It was His information at the time.
First you are
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On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Iskandar Hai, M.D.
iskandar@gmail.com wrote:
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I am just stating the facts. You draw your own conclusions. So, the raids
were ordered by Muhammad himself. Right? The Baha'i concept of Manifestation
of
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Islam certainly gives limited approval to the use of force. In fact,
neither the Bahai faith nor Islam are pacifist religions. Shoghi
Effendi actually criticizes pacifism as anti-social and (presumably
Gandhi's) non-cooperation philosophy is criticized as too
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I am just stating the facts. You draw your own conclusions.
Your posting material irrelevant to the list purpose with the agenda
of denigrating Islam.
So, the raids
were ordered by Muhammad himself. Right? The Baha'i concept of Manifestation
of God is irrelevant
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Here's what I was referring to:
Directives from the Guardian
144: PACIFISM (Bahá’í View of)
“With reference to the absolute pacifists, or conscientious objectors
to war; their attitude, judged from the Bahá’í standpoint is quite
anti-social and due to its exaltation
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Extreme pacifists
are thus very close to the anarchists, in the sense that both of these
groups lay an undue emphasis on the rights and merits of the
individual. The Bahá'í conception of social life is essentially based
on the subordination of the individual will to
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The facts are the facts and they are unfortunate and inconvenient. But they are
not lies.
I am a man from Mars. Argue your points from a rational point of view, not
because `Abdu'l-Baha said something in defense of Islam to a Christian
audience.
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