Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-27 Thread Mark A. Foster
Gilberto, At 10:29 PM 1/26/2005, you wrote: Could you give examples of each to explain how they are different? Justice is a virtue. It is defined (structurized) by Baha'u'llah, in one sense, as upheld by reward and punishment: O people of God! That which traineth the world is Justice, for

Re: Scope of the House of Justice

2005-01-27 Thread louise mchenry
Two at that time members of the Universal House of Justice, on two different occasions (in speeches given in the Netherlands), as well as what I heard from several people I know who worked for several years at the world centre, that the House only makes a decision after having obtained unanimous

Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-27 Thread Mark A. Foster
Hi, Gilberto, At 11:24 PM 1/26/2005, you wrote: So would it be fair to say that the sinlessness is a non-falsifiable statement? You aren't saying that they conform to some prior moral principles, but that by definition, beecause they are the Manifestation they could do no wrong? Yes, IMO,

Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-27 Thread Ahang Rabbani
Dear Firouz, I think this is a big challenge Baha'u'llah is inviting people to produce a verse like what He is revealing. The verse in the Tablet of Ahmad doesn't appear to me to be an invitation to produce man-made verses. He is stating that it's impossible for men to come up with such

Re: Scope of the House of Justice

2005-01-27 Thread Ahang Rabbani
Dear Brent, In the early days of the House, that is, for the first few years, every communication was signed by the House. The idea of the Secretariat came later as the number of such communications increased. Presently, as you note, letters actually signed by the House are pretty rare --

Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-27 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:13:23 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/26/2005 7:25:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I DID answer her question in the most reasonable way I know how. If you don't like that answer I'm not sure how to help you.

Re: YOUTH (Regarding the Age of Fifteen)

2005-01-27 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 1/27/2005 5:30:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My personal opinion on this is that if one isn't mature enough at age 15 to serve on an Assembly they probably aren't mature enough to marry. Dear Sandra, The problem is that

RE: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-27 Thread Max Jasper
And further, it is an allegorical indication that man can never reach the station of God. | | I think this is a big challenge Baha'u'llah is inviting people to | produce a verse like what He is revealing. | |The verse in the Tablet of Ahmad doesn't appear to me to be an |invitation to produce

Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-27 Thread Mark A. Foster
Gilberto, At 06:16 AM 1/27/2005, you wrote: Ok, then part of the difficulty is that we are using words differently. Yes. Whether or not one belches in public is not a moral question. As I said, I would call etiquette and all low-level social norms folkways. Norms and values, as I define them,

Ocean

2005-01-27 Thread James Mock
Does anyone know how to contact (by email) the people that produce Ocean? Or can someone point out a link to them on the Ocean/Baha'i Education website? James __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To

Re: Scope of the House of Justice

2005-01-27 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 1/27/2005 1:51:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "I believe the Secretariat is composed not of a pool of typists, but comprises the personal assistants of each House member, as well as some other staff members." Dear Brent, That is

Re: Scope of the House of Justice

2005-01-27 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 1/27/2005 5:28:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "In the early days of the House, that is, for the first few years, everycommunication was signed by the House. The idea of the "Secretariat" camelater as the number of such communications

Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-27 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 1/27/2005 1:57:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I remember long long time back when I was living in Dubaiwe had a deepening class about Tablet of Ahmad, our Egyptian teacher explained it to us this way. Well, now that I compare it with

Re: The Bab's wife

2005-01-27 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 1/26/2005 10:53:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So is there some powerful significant moral change which happens at 15? Or is the year just arbitrary?It is significant because Baha'u'llah designated it. Dear Mark and Gilbert, Probably not

Re: The Bab's wife

2005-01-27 Thread Mark A. Foster
Hi, Susan, At 04:45 PM 1/27/2005, you wrote: Probably not all that arbitrary. 15 is the customary age of maturity in Zoroastrianism. Yes, that is likely the historical precedent, or the context, but I still think that 15 is the age of maturity only because it was designated by Baha'u'llah.

Nature of Morality Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-27 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:36:46 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilberto, At 06:16 AM 1/27/2005, you wrote: Ok, then part of the difficulty is that we are using words differently. Yes. Whether or not one belches in public is not a moral question. As I said, I would call

Finality of Qur'an - Seal of the Prophets Revisited

2005-01-27 Thread JS
Hi All, I am not worthy of writing this message because of my materialistic andshamefultendencies. But I feel I've been inspired (only God Wills and only God Knows),torevisit the topic of Finality. May whispers of 'the Most Great Name', which only originatefrom on High, shatter the wallsthatI

Re: Nature of Morality Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-27 Thread Mark A. Foster
Gilberto, At 06:14 PM 1/27/2005, you wrote: But what makes one set of laws high-level and another low-level? It is relative to the norms of that community. Mores are norms which, in a particular time and place, are punished (formally or informally) more severely than folkways. A more in one

Re: Nature of Morality Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-27 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:53:07 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilberto, You replied: I'm speaking imprecisely. I don't think I mean that kind of logic. I mean a different kind of reasoning process. Mark: What kind of reasoning process? Gilberto: One example would be

Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-27 Thread Elaine Crowell
Dear Susan, I came to this conclusion after reading several online accounts of British activity in the middle east subsequent to WW1. I read that Lawrence of Arabia was deeply involved in the Arab revolt against the Ottoman hegemony instigated by Sharif Hussein bin Ali . Sharif Hussein had been

Kitab-i-Iqan pg. 7 - Part 1

2005-01-27 Thread JS
Among the Prophets was Noah. For nine hundred and fifty years He prayerfully exhorted His people and summoned them to the haven of security and peace. None, however, heeded His call. Each day they inflicted on His blessed person such pain and suffering that no one believed He could survive. How

Re: Nature of Morality Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-27 Thread Mark A. Foster
Gilberto, I wrote: What kind of reasoning process? You replied: One example would be through some kind of deliberative process where we think about the consequences of having certain rules and what kind of society that would result in. A thought experiment. Sure but even apart from language,

Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-27 Thread JS
Hi Iskandar, I think you are misunderstanding Gilberto and his intentions. I do not think he is saying that Baha'is don't take morality seriously, so there is no need for an apology. Gilberto is stating the Islamic stance on the issue, which is different from the Baha'i view. I am positive he is

Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-27 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:57:22 -0800 (PST), JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Iskandar, I think you are misunderstanding Gilberto and his intentions. I do not think he is saying that Baha'is don't take morality seriously, so there is no need for an apology. Gilberto is stating the Islamic

Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-27 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:49:29 -0500 (EST), Iskandar Hai, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . A girl of 8, 9, or 10 years of age who has had her menses is still a girl, not a woman. From around 13 to about 18-19 years of age, she is called a teenager. Past nineteen, she can be called a woman (or

Re: Nature of Morality Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-27 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:41:05 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilberto, I wrote: What kind of reasoning process? You replied: One example would be through some kind of deliberative process where we think about the consequences of having certain rules and what kind of

Re: Kitab-i-Iqan pg. 7 - Part 1

2005-01-27 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:31:03 -0800 (PST), JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Noah] several times promised victory to His companions and fixed the hour thereof. But when the hour struck, the divine promise was not fulfilled. Is this just a claim from Bahaullah? I don't think I'd ever heard it