Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-12 Thread Roshan Mathews
Did the Godfather quote scare you off? :) On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: I [shall carefully reply to] you because I had [searched my mail and found] that you were a serious man, to be treated with respect. But I must say no to you and let me give you

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Roshan Mathews
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:23 PM, varunthac...@aol.in wrote: I just heard about Google Go.My first reaction was of excitement.But when i read about it i'm clueless as to what is it aiming for? What do every feel about it? Did you see the video [1] linked from that link? They say it's for

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Mahadevan R mdevan.foo...@gmail.com wrote: [..] By Robert Griesemer, Rob Pike, Ken Thompson, Ian Taylor, Russ Cox, Jini Kim and Adam Langley - The Go Team [..] That caught my eye too

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Asokan Pichai
[snip]  Also this line is funny.  The company says that Go is experimental, and that it combines the performance and security benefits associated with using a compiled language like C++ with the speed of a dynamic language like Python  Heh, speed of Python and security of C++ ? I thought it

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Ramdas S
But I don't see the Python connection at all here. Yeah! I jumped the line without reading. Actually going through now and downloading the stuff I cant see much from Python perspective, that bloody language is full of braces, but yes syntactically its more sugary and clean I guess it might

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread steve
On 11/11/2009 04:17 PM, Ramdas S wrote: But I don't see the Python connection at all here. Yeah! I jumped the line without reading. Actually going through now and downloading the stuff I cant see much from Python perspective, that bloody language is full of braces, but yes syntactically

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Ramdas S
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: [..] The company says that Go is

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Ramdas S ram...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Darkseid
Go combines the development speed of working in a dynamic language like Python with the performance and safety of a compiled language like C or C++. It could just be the cynic in me, but this looks a lot like the marketing MS did to sell VB.Net to VB devs. Vague phrases that aren't precisely

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Roshan Mathews
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote:  Upon 2nd reading, I also thought they did, but not a very good  disambiguation there I daresay. But security benefits associated to  a compiled language -  I fall flat there since I don't see any  correlation

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Darkseid
I found out yesterday that the application has to be developed on a proven technology like Java,C++ or C#. When I spoke to the gentleman he said his consultant said that dynamically typed languages are not safe for mission critical work. The work is far from being mission-critical is another

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Roshan Mathews
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Darkseid lorddae...@gmail.com wrote: I do hope you snidely pointed out to him that half of Google runs on Python? :D Which half? :) http://groups.google.com/group/unladen-swallow/browse_thread/thread/4edbc406f544643e -- Roshan Mathews http://teamtalk.im

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Roshan Mathews
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote:  The point is that so called compiled languages provide more security  loop-holes than interpreted ones. C++/C for example provide liberal  scope for buffer overflow exploits due to use of pointers and manual  

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Pradeep Gowda
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:18 AM, steve st...@lonetwin.net wrote: On 11/11/2009 04:17 PM, Ramdas S wrote:  But I don't see the Python connection at all here. Yeah! I jumped the line without reading. Actually going through now and downloading the stuff I cant see much  from Python

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: Upon 2nd reading, I also thought they did, but not a very good disambiguation there I daresay. But security benefits associated to

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Pradeep Gowda
That's what the big boys of the world wants you to believe. I had met a very senior official in the government a techy himself and spent 3 hours showing him virtues of Python and Django, hoping that they will change the RFP terms. I found out yesterday that the application has to be

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Ramdas S
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Darkseid lorddae...@gmail.com wrote: I found out yesterday that the application has to be developed on a proven technology like Java,C++ or C#. When I spoke to the gentleman he said his consultant said that dynamically typed languages are not safe for

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: The point is that so called compiled languages provide more security loop-holes than interpreted ones. C++/C for example provide

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Pradeep Gowda
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote:  Upon 2nd reading, I also thought they did, but

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Dhananjay Nene
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:23 PM, varunthac...@aol.in wrote: I just heard about Google Go.My first reaction was of excitement.But when i read about it i'm clueless as to what is it aiming for? What do every feel about it? this is the link to the blog post announcing Go.

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Dhananjay Nene
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:23 PM, varunthac...@aol.in wrote: I just heard about Google Go.My first reaction was of excitement.But when i read about it i'm clueless as to what is it aiming for? What do every feel

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: [..]  Upon 2nd reading, I also thought they did, but not a very good  disambiguation there I daresay. But security benefits associated to  a compiled language -  I fall flat there since I don't see any  

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Balachandran Sivakumar
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Shashwat Anand anand.shash...@gmail.com wrote: Go - a son of C++ and python .. ?? to me it looked like verbose C .. first impression..not good. I mean it's ok..but not to the level of Google. We expect better from mythical Google engineers. Well, more than

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Roshan Mathews
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: The looks like Python, runs like C++ is more than just marketing speak.  If you haven't noticed, Looks like Python, runs like C++ has

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: [..] Upon 2nd reading, I also thought they did, but not a very good disambiguation there I daresay. But security benefits

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Harish Mallipeddi
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: The point is that so called compiled languages provide more security loop-holes than interpreted ones. C++/C for example provide

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Balachandran Sivakumar benignb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Shashwat Anand anand.shash...@gmail.com wrote: Go - a son of C++ and python .. ?? to me it looked like verbose C .. first impression..not good. I mean it's ok..but not to

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Darkseid
Javascript is weakly typed but you don't have buffer overflow problems there. That's something I've never understood even though the all powerful wikipedia says JS is weakly typed. Can someone give me an example to illustrate the weak typing? I would assume that people are arguing for strong

Re: [BangPypers] Google Go

2009-11-11 Thread Roshan Mathews
Harish, I [shall carefully reply to] you because I had [searched my mail and found] that you were a serious man, to be treated with respect. But I must say no to you and let me give you my reasons. It's true I have a lot of friends in [software], but they wouldn't be so friendly if they knew my