Hi Bill,
This is my interpretation of baroque lute right hand approach...
You need to differentiate between French and German lute style, pre-1710,
post 1710 (give er take 10) Pre-Weiss/Logy, post-Weiss/Logy.
French lute will notate thumb all the way up the chanterelle, probably for
the
Ziv,
If it's French Classical Era lute music (17th century), which I believe
it is, those signs could mean strumming either up or down with the right
index finger as was done on guitarre and theorbe. Since the french
lutenists, as opposed to theorbists, didn't ever use the right ring
Kropffganss solos and trios , Straube in G,
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From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net
To: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:25 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] polonaises
A question to the Collective Wisdom:
What lute
Some odd pieces in Augsburg. Seems like the Saxons and the Silesians were
keen on them...Weiss and his students. Friedmann Bach's are the best,
although decidedly not for lute.
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From: Dale Young dyoung5...@wowway.com
To: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Bernd is correct. This piece is published in das Erbe Deutscher Musik,
volume 2. It goes up to the 9th fret on 4th string for the high note and
features a fingered 3 note chord with the highest note on the 6th string.
Low-down sound.
Dale
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From: Bernd Haegemann
I'm quite sure that the Kleinknecht, Pfeiffer, as well as the works in
Augsburg by Toeschi, Haydn, Locatelli, Giardino, Arne, Seckendorf, Sollnitz,
Ruge, Kehl, Steinmetz, and Geminiani, were arrangements for lute by Hagen,
Falckenhagen, Kohaut, Durant, or Friederica SofiaWillemina, of existing
More etymology than definition:
Toward the end of the Pre-Galant era (a.k.a. Baroque era), dance pieces
were added to the standard list of the Dance Suite movements ( Allemand,
Courant, Saraband, Gigue) such as the Menuet (and Trio), the Polonaise (very
important later), Anglois, Scherzo, etc.
Empfindsamkeit is one of the first and boldest expressions of self, to the
point of narcissism, in artistic expression, especially Muthel, one of my
favorites of the era. All of J.S. Bach's students were emboldened by their
skill and knowledge,and allowed the freedom by the circumstances of the
Froberger? Downstairs then left.
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Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 10:03 PM
Subject
I have a feeling that there may be a general lack of knowledge about his
oeuvre.
Perhaps if you could strum a few bars for us, it may spark a recognition.
Otherwise, It may be up to you to unearth these treasures.
Bergen, (Pergen) Ferdinand Graf von,
Three lute suites in French tablature are
Here, Let me try.
Galant is the term people who lived in the period from roughly 1720
on to 1790 ( Telemann through Mozart) used to describe certain traits,
attitudes, and manners, associated with the cultured nobility, according to
Robert O. Gjerdingen in his book, Music in the Galant
Arto!
In support of your sublime offering of a Menuet by Losy, I offer one by Adam
Falckenhagen to emphasise that less can be more. When I play this well, not
quite this time, it is just the most sentimental, button-pushing piece of
music, brings a tear to the eye.
Arto,
So beautifully stated.
I have been absorbed in the study of the Augsburg Manuscript for 38 years
and it still fascinates me. Not unlike fractals, Mendelbrot sets, (god rest
his soul) the more intensely you focus, the more complexity you find. Many
players dismiss Falckenhagen's works
Arto,
Fret knot your awakened sensability. I too recently switched to gut
strings and can no longer tolerate the tinny, twangy sound of plastic
strings in recordings of any but a few very accomplished masters ( ie. Mr.
Barto). We learn to exude so much more sonority into gut than we ever
for particularly long appogiaturas, something
also available to clavichordists.( now those are the real musicians)
Yes! There were exceptions to the rule. But! The rule stands. You may not
play the hiccup! The well thought-out Scotch snap or acciaccatura, ok. No
hiccup. Please.
Dale Young
Hagen used everything everywhere. of course, He was the technical apogee of
lute technique. p,i to the 7th course maybe even to the 8th. But that would
be the lute used as a musical instrument rather than an affected foppish
appendage.
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From: Edward Martin
Ziv,
We now know that the Bb Major concerto in Berlin that you have
attributed to Kohaut is a version of the Concerto in Bb Major in Augsburg by
Pfeiffer.
Thanks for the list
dale
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From: ziv braha b_...@hotmail.com
To:
and the Cassation in Bb major in Brussels by Kropffganss it's Haydn's
quartette op.1 no.1
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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:44 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Lute
As long as there are Republicans in the world there will be ever greater
inegalite. But seriously folks, as time progressed, composers tended to
get more specific about notating their intentions. Convention and
generalised performance practice was written out more in galant era
because
with
There is no-one to do alterations.
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Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:59 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 13C Baroque Lute for Sale
But playable it would be (with minor alterations), no?
-
I bought a copy of Ars Antigua Austria's recording called Karl Kohaut-
Haydn's lute player. It's wonderful. I was listening to the Bb Major
Concerto by Kohaut. It sounded familiar, but not like Kohaut. I went
through the B section of Augsburg Ms. and there it was. A
concerto
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From: Dale Young dyoung5...@wowway.com
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:09 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Difference 13c.-11c. vs. 10c.-6c.?
I believe that it is possible to make 17c. french classic lute music sound
acceptable
Daube's 2 bar wisps too much for you?
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r.turov...@verizon.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:24 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Difference 13c.-11c. vs. 10c.-6c
or no?
To: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 9:19 AM
I'm with Dale on this issue.
RT
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Edward
Martin e...@gamutstrings.com
Sent: Friday
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From: Dale Young dyoung5...@wowway.com
To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi;
baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu;
Edward
Martin e...@gamutstrings.com
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:31 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: B-lute 6th course, with octave
or no?
I still think that the 6th course is used too
I saw a copy in Christian Weyrauch's dustbin!
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From: Duncan Midwinter duncan.midwin...@googlemail.com
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:35 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] bach cello suite bwv 1007
Is there an arrangement of Bach's
Don't know if you got any secret links yet but here's one
http://musickshandmade.com/lute/facbooks/view/28 if you're looking for 6
string galant era music.
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From: Benjamin Narvey luthi...@gmail.com
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maybe this'll get out there.
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Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:25 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re
Third time
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Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:51 PM
Subject
Thought it sounded familiar. A lot of basic thematic material was circulated
around. Is it from a keyboard solo? If so, which one? I've been enjoying
W.F.'s Polonaises on clavichord lately.
Speaking of Falckenhagen...I am now listening to what I believe to be the
single most incredible piece of
C.P.E. Bach wrote that in the appogiatura, the dissonance should be held
AT LEAST half the value of the written note. Most preformers cheat on this,
making these graces sound more like annoying speach impediments. Even more
annoying, I also hear single comas played as trills. We all need to
]
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Kirnberger on lutes and temperament
On Apr 27, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Dale Young wrote:
It was, however, the time when the best music was written for
it, ever.
1779?
--
To get on or off
Martyn,
I want one! Who built yours? I've been circling this idea that a
gallichon is THE great, versatile continuo instrument for 18th century vocal
and instrumental music.
Any savvy rhythm guitarist could step into accompaniment nirvana once (s)he
adapted to the pitch variance.
Thanks Roman. I am honored again. You are welcome at mine as well. You are
an inspiration to us all.
Dale
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..as Duke Ellington put it; if it sounds good, it is good. I, for one who
only play post-baroque era lute music, think unison 6th course sounds just
fine. It's used often enough as a melody string to bother with fumbling
around picking half a course. Easier to add in a 3rd course when I feel an
Almost a lute. Just add 4 strings and you'll have a REAL one.
Dale
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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:36 PM
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I got to it somehow from the youTube preformance that you posted. Here's a
small version of the picture.
Dale
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Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:23 PM
As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for reality.Which
makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. Too bad,
she's probably dead by now.
Dale
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New Age Galanterie
Dale
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Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:34 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] new sounds
I've never before heard someone play music like this on the baroque
lute.
Completely playable without ring finger. A lot more movement of the thumb. I
think it's more gramatically correct too. But it is harder. A lot of easy
things are wrong, like watching television instead of practicing moving your
thumb all over the basses... which is what I did tonight. Guilty.
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Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 6:22 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 18th-century right hand fingering (short)
Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Here are two examples
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Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:21 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 18th-century right hand fingering (short)
Markus Lutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
The ring finger isn't
I believe that underlying all this is that we / I can become complacent
about plucking with whatever finger happens to show up nearby the string.
That's not good enough.
Just a little attention to alternating fingers ( middle / index) and
always attempting to use the middle finger
we're, apparently, clueless. But armed and dangerous.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:11 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] The Weapons Of Rhetoric
Dear Baroque luters,
Are any
According to the liner notes of the recording, the prelude is an
unattributed copy penned by Vaudry de Saizenay. I'd look in that manuscript.
Good luck.
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From: Manolo Laguillo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:07
Several years ago, I bought a recording of Hasse's opera Cleophide. Not
being an opera fan, I thought it would take months to work my way through
the 3 hours of music. I put it on the disc player and was so enthralled, I
listened to it straight through... and then listened to it again as soon
the spanish guitarof Scheidler, Sor and Guiliani.
Tempesta di Mare will be performing it more and I hope a recording will
follow so that more of you can hear it.
Dale Young
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From: Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cc: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
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Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weiss and Hasse
Or indeed,
Ignore that last message.
The even newer and improveder web access for Richard Stone and the
Tempesta di Mare Baroque Orchestra, et al is the still, even more
curiously titled:
www.tempestadimare.org/
crikey!
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News Flash!
The Toeschi Concerto I announced
News Flash!
The Toeschi Concerto I announced that I was busying myself with data
entering into Finale last fall...
Richard Stone with his equally talented, versatile, and sonorous
Tempesti di Mare orchestra have picked it up and run with it all the way to
Performance in Philadelphia
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From: Dale Young
To: Richard Stone
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:37 AM
Subject: Weiss concerto hear'd.
Hi Richard,
Quick note. Your recording got airtime on Detroit's classical station, WRCJ
yesterday. Sounded better than my disc!? Is that possible
: Sunday, October 09, 2005 3:05 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited
Dear lutenists,
first I write an off-topic comment (lute-wise) and the more on-topic.
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Dale Young wrote:
I apologize for Dresden too. Horrible mistake.
Dresden was not an exception
. Your
Big Mac will be in the mail tomorrow.
Thanks, Roman, for confirming my suspicions as to the source. I have always
thought of Hagen as the Lone arRanger. Do you think Kohaut did the Haydn
works?--Dale
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